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Jeff Almasol
Adobe Employee
Jeff Almasol
Adobe Employee
June 23, 2020
Question

Feature Focus: Limb IK

  • June 23, 2020
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Arm IK is now called Limb IK and can control the bend directions and stretching of legs, as well as arms. For example, pin a hand in place while moving the rest of the body or make a character's feet stick to the ground as its squats in a more realistic way.

 

Check out the following walkthrough video for Limb IK:

 

 

Try out Limb IK using the following example puppets!

 

Note: Limb IK and Walk behaviors on the same puppet might cause issues because both want to control the same handles. If you do have both behaviors applied, consider turning off Limb IK when animating walk cycles, and turning off Walk when doing general body animation. Limb IK should work fine in side and 3/4 views.

 

 

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    philipj25268431
    New Participant
    January 11, 2021

    I have used this behavior successfully with simple puppets. However with a 3-view puppet, I get rigging issues on the arms for the frontal and right quarter views. Their arms are draggable but too stretchy. Only the top (left quarter) view works properly. They are all set up the same way, including the attachment style. I only have one set of legs and those work -- perhaps that's the issue. I tried reorganizing the layers, but that crashed Character Animator. 

    oksamurai
    Community Manager
    oksamuraiCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    January 11, 2021

    I believe Limb IK only looks for the first instance of its tags, so if you want it to work for multiple views, you would need to add a Limb IK behavior for each view. Try adding the behavior to the Frontal and Right Quarter groups and see if it works for you then.

    CoSA_DaveS
    Community Manager
    CoSA_DaveSCommunity Manager
    Community Manager
    January 12, 2021

    Limb IK (and other behaviors like Face) can work as a single behavior at the top level of the puppet controlling multiple views as long as each set of limbs (or facial parts, etc.) is contained in a group that is tagged as a view (Frontal, Left Quarter, etc.). You can tell that a behavior organizes its layers this way when you see this tool tip in the puppet panel’s properties panel:

     If you want all views to have the same parameter values, this is ideal. If you want each view to have its own parameter settings, then as oksamurai suggests above you can apply the behavior to each group individually.

    Stefan_Boeker
    Stefan_Boeker
    Inspiring
    August 29, 2020

    Limb IK is very cool! 😎 
    One minor issue to improve the UX: 
    When you add the "pin the wrests to scene" behaviour-option the wrests are not pinned to screne – not before you move the wrests manualy a little bit manualy. 
    It whould make more sense to me if they are pinned to scene right away. 
    You could save some time to every user not familiar with this new option (like me :))

      oksamurai
      Community Manager
      oksamuraiCommunity Manager
      Community Manager
      August 31, 2020

      Agreed, great suggestion.

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      gregorypezeshki
      New Participant
      August 28, 2020

      Trying out the new limb IK in BETA with a new character. Loving the way you can get some really fluid movements, huge potential for this and Character Animator in general, been using regular version for about 6 months.

      A couple issues with new limb IK:

      First, whole body goes bends at knees great when using camera input, but I put a dragger on the body to move the character, bend down, etc... however while the body moves great, the top of the head sticks in place and the rest of the head layer warps, keeping it attached at the neck while also stretching out the head. Is there a fix to this or is that a bug?

      Thanks for all you do!

      Greg

      oksamurai
      Community Manager
      oksamuraiCommunity Manager
      Community Manager
      August 28, 2020

      For dragging the body around, I actually usually put it on the Head origin handle - so typically it's going to be dual tagged as head and draggable. That's our recommended placement - I think putting it on the body won't overpower the head, which is probably why you're getting the stretching look. I think some of the example characters in the first post should be set up like this.

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        gregorypezeshki
        New Participant
        August 29, 2020

        Yes! That seemed to fix the head drag issue. Thank you so much!

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        follain0101
        New Participant
        August 28, 2020

        I am trying to use limb Ik on a quadruped character.  It's working very well for the back leg, but there are some minor problems for the arms :

        - If I make the arm with arm handle tag, I can't use the option "Ground detection" and "foot pinning" for the arm. Which mean that the arm go down when the body move down.  (see the first picture)
        - If I try to make the arm with "leg" handle tag  (which mean having 2 right Hip/knee/heel  and 2 left Hip/ect) ;  it's making the last handle that I have put bug (usualy the arm in this case)

        The only way to have an alright Ik for the arm is to set up them with arm handle, and move them at the corect place with a dragable+ hold in place.  The only problem with this set up is that the hand rotate when the body move, it's impossible to make them keep the same rotation ; as you can see in the 2nd picture (unless I am missing a feature).

        The 2 potential solutions to solve this problem could be those :
        - Add an option to remove hand rotation in drag option
        - Make it possible to make more than 2 legs for quadruped quaracter.  So we can use "Ground detection" and "foot pinning" for every limb  (Or maybe add "Arm pinning")

        Don't mind the quality of the puppet, it's still a WIP.


        oksamurai
        Community Manager
        oksamuraiCommunity Manager
        Community Manager
        August 28, 2020

        I wonder if you might be better off adding a second Limb IK behavior manually to the second set of "legs" - I haven't personally tried anything like this, but theoretically it might allow for all both sets of legs to be pinned. Basically I'd probably try making two groups: FRONT LEGS and BACK LEGS, and add a Limb IK behavior to each one to see if that helps.

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        follain0101
        New Participant
        August 29, 2020

        Yes, it's work perfectly.  Thank you very much
        I though for some reason Limb Ik was only a global behavior since it affect both arm and leg at the same time. Didn't think I could use multiple of them.

        rufia74067359
        rufia74067359
        Participating Frequently
        August 17, 2020

        Can't seem to find the limb IK, i installed it but I only see the arm IK there on the list, what am i missing?

        oksamurai
        Community Manager
        oksamuraiCommunity Manager
        Community Manager
        August 17, 2020

        Did you update to the most recent version of the beta? Limb IK will only show up in the latest beta versions. If you're still seeing Arm IK, you are most likely in an older build or the public release. If you're still seeing it in the latest version (x128) please let us know.

        rufia74067359
        rufia74067359
        Participating Frequently
        August 17, 2020

        I didn't realize I was suppose to open CA (Beta), I opened the CA. I got it. Thanks!

          oksamurai
          Community Manager
          oksamuraiCommunity Manager
          Community Manager
          July 30, 2020

          Update: Here is an updated version of LimbIKbot that does a bit of a hack to get more head tilting and less body tilting. Thsi was a technique I first found out about in a Digital Puppets video. It's not perfect, but hopefully it's a viable workaround for the head/body issues.

           

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            spefferly
            Participating Frequently
            July 30, 2020

            This is great! Worked like a charm. So much more flexibility now with different scenarios!

            joev871976
            joev871976
            New Participant
            July 28, 2020

            Just some thoughts. 

            When going through the Eliza Character, I noticed that her toes were stuck to the ground.  Is that because she has a walk function?  When I removed the tag on the toes, she went into a weird gallop walk.  The Chloe, Dragger and  the BOT Characters are stationary front Facing.  Also when jumping, Eliza's toes point down (more realistic), and the other characters stay in their position.  They seem to be rigged the same way.

            oksamurai
            Community Manager
            oksamuraiCommunity Manager
            Community Manager
            July 28, 2020

            Hard to say for sure with Eliza - the walk behavior has a new "pin feet to ground" checkbox (see https://community.adobe.com/t5/character-animator-beta/feature-focus-pin-feet/td-p/11301057?page=1 so that might do it, or if you're using the 3-view version of her that has a staationary view. Bottom line: I wouldn't mix Limb IK with Walk except for a stationary view where you want some stationary limb bending. Otherwise I think the two can run into conflicts because they're both looking for the same limb tags like elbows and knees.

             

            For the toe direction when jumping, try adjusting "ankle flexibility" - higher percentages seem to make them point down more.

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            spefferly
            Participating Frequently
            July 22, 2020

            This new feature is really great! I've had to get creative whenever I had characters that needed to sit down or stand up from a desk....and the pin feature is really cool.

             

            I had only a couple minor hiccups (and maybe I'm just doing something wrong). The first issue I had was with the Reverse Leg Bend. Whenever I have that selected, the ankle doesn't seem to want to move right with the leg...it kind of flips around haha (see picture below).

            The other issue I had (and this one is more minor). Now that I have the Limb IK added, and have gotten rid of the pins, my character's head doesn't just move when I move my head - his hips move as well in a sort of floating delayed manner. I'm not sure if there is anything that can be done about this or not. Below are video examples of what I mean. The first being the original pinning way, and the second video is with the Limb IK added.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Those are my only two issues with it though - everything else was great! I can't wait to utilize the new features in my workflow.

              oksamurai
              Community Manager
              oksamuraiCommunity Manager
              Community Manager
              July 22, 2020

              Thanks for the excellent feedback!

               

              If you can DM me the File > Export > Puppet we can take a closer look at the flipping ankle issue.

               

              I have felt the same about your head/body moving issue - no one moves like that. If I'm understanding correctly, you would prefer to have the head move/pivot more and the hips less. If there was a control to prevent or minimize the strength of the body movement (aka the influence of the head), so it looks more like your first example but with knee bends and the other benefits of Leg IK, would that solve your issue?

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              spefferly
              Participating Frequently
              July 22, 2020

              Thanks for the quick response! Yes...exactly. That would 100% solve my head/body moving issue. I will send you the puppet separately for the ankle issue.

               

              Thanks again!

              claytor1999
              claytor1999
              Participating Frequently
              July 3, 2020

              I really like this behavior. Brings the character to life even when the settings are subtle. And for all those Canadians who were looking for a quick way to make their character skate... Limb IK --> Legs --> Pin Left and Right Heel to Puppet. Boom.

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