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Can I install Coldfusion Standard 2023 on a Virtual Server with 2 cores, 6gb ram/2.89 ghz processor

New Here ,
Jan 02, 2024 Jan 02, 2024

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I have been getting conflicting information. Just want to make sure I will be able to use this license if I buy.

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Jan 02, 2024 Jan 02, 2024

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Hello San,

 

CF system requirements here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/au/coldfusion/standard/system-requirements.html

 

I expect you should be able to install CF on your environment. 

 

You omit details about OS, hard disk space, webserver and what database in use - so I could be missing something important that will be an issue.

 

HTH, Carl.

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Jan 02, 2024 Jan 02, 2024

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Thanks Carl.  
i am trying to purchase the Coldfusion Standard 2023 edition to be run on a virtual server with 2 cores (and the above specifications) but the sales person is saying that if the actual physical server has more cores then I need to buy enterprise version which is $7500 more expensive. 

i am just trying to find out before I buy it. I dont want to buy now and find out I cannot use it. 

 

Any info is appreciated!

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Jan 02, 2024 Jan 02, 2024

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https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/Adobe_ColdFusion-en_US-20151221_1...

 

Definitions 1.5 core and 1.6 CPU - probably relate here.

 

I probably should decline to comment not having a legal person to refer my thoughts to.

 

Will try PM.

 

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Jan 02, 2024 Jan 02, 2024

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I chated with a product expert in the adobe support site and he said that as long as the virtual server has 2 cores I should be fine. 

Chat support and sales person giving two different information. I am confused. 

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Jan 02, 2024 Jan 02, 2024

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Confused? You're just starting down the rabbit hole.

 

Wait till you talk to the salesperson who asks if this "virtual server" is "in the cloud?"  If so, then they'll assert that the EULA that Carl helpfully pointed you to "doesn't apply", and that you must instead pay an annual *virtual core"subscription price--which will be more than that Cf Standard "perpetual" license you priced--though you will at least get cf enterprise instead in the bargain. 

 

Where is the page on their site that tells you all this, and the details? Oh, it doesn't exist. Whether you hear of it will indeed depend on "who you talk to".

 

Or you may be pointed also to the Amazon and Azure VM images for CF2023 or cf2021, where you can license cf on a per hour basis. Or there's the option to deploy your cfml app on a cf hosting service, who can put you "in the cloud" but by way of their own cf hosting license, which differs from the above. 

 

Welcome to the world of cf licensing. It's simple on the surface, but the devil's in the details.... and in what lies beneath that surface. Most info shared is just that surface info, as that's what's readily sharable. I've done the same. For many, it's sufficient. 

 

Should Adobe be seen as "nothing but con men"? Well, no. Adobe is a HUGE organization and most people there don't even know how to spell cf. What about the cf team then? Again, no. Most of them have nothing to do with licensing and are truly unaware of these matters. It's a rather small cadre, most of whom we cf people will never interact with.

 

Does all this push some away from cf? Sure. Does everyone who faces it leave? No. Some see it as typical of other enterprise software, and they accept it for it is--even if grudginglly. Or they find one of the options above to be economically in their interest. 

 

But there's no question that some face what you've seen and find it all, who either accelerate their leaving cf and cfml, or who start considering the "cost" of moving to the free Lucee cfml engine. (It's not always the obvious alternative some would assert, but it's the solution for many.)

 

Fortunately, there is a continued (and by some asserted Adobe measures, growing) market of people buying CF. I can attest that I am no less busy in my CF troubleshooting consulting (and serve the same number of new and old clients) as I have for over 15 years--and most of those are now running cf2021 or higher. I realize that many others will portray CF as a shrinking market. Again, it's just not as simple as some make it out to be.

 

Anyway, there are some more details and options for you. Let us know if any end up helping. 


/Charlie (troubleshooter, carehart.org)

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Jan 03, 2024 Jan 03, 2024

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For something that should be really simple, I am surprised that there is no answer. 

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Jan 03, 2024 Jan 03, 2024

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There is an answer, reflected within the replies above: if you're not running that machine in the cloud, then as Carl said the EULA (which he linked to) indicates the per-core licensing, which covers the perpetual pricing offered on the Adobe site. The EULA should take just a few minutes to read. It spells out what one should need to make that decision. BTW, the EULA can be found in the root cf folder when you implement it, or it can be found online, as I discuss in a blog post

 

But if the deployment is in "the cloud", that's where things become muddy, regarding the "virtual core" subscription model. See my last comment. (I didn't mention container licensing, which adds another dimension.)

 

And to avoid all that, other options are the aws or Azure machine images (priced per hour), or go with CF hosting, both of which include the license. Or move off cf.

 

And of course, development is free. 


/Charlie (troubleshooter, carehart.org)

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Jan 03, 2024 Jan 03, 2024

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Hi Charlie, Thanks for your comment.

From 1.5 in https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/Adobe_ColdFusion-en_US-20151221_1... I think I should be fine running the CF STAndard 2023 on a Virtual machine with 2 cores.

But I am not sure how 1.6 of the EULA relates as in it refers to Physical CPU - but I am working with Virtual ones.

 

That's what I am a bit unsure about.

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Jan 03, 2024 Jan 03, 2024

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Hi Charlie

 

I am being told by the sales agent that I need a separate license for Development and that Development is only free for Enterprise license. 

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Jan 03, 2024 Jan 03, 2024

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Hi San,

 

>a separate license for Development and that Development is only free for Enterprise license. 


Maybe they mean a separate CF install. In any case if you install free Trial edition, let it run more than 30 days it will change to Developer. In Developer it is functional Enterprise but only works from two TCP addresses and there might be "dev mode" watermarks on PDF and other output. Apply a Standard key to it anytime you’re ready to use it more in a production way.

 

Cheers, Carl.

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