Compatibility from Colorgate .icc color profile and illustrator

[mm90280672]

Hello everyone, I want to add an .icc color profile to the list of available color profiles. I have installed the .icc file in Windows C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color, restarted Illustrator but my .icc does not appear in the list. can anyone help me?

[Biggs47]

To use it as a working profile, I think you just need to go to Adobe > Color > Profiles and drop it in there.  Spool>Drivers I think feeds the profile elsewhere, possibly for output

[mm90280672]

I tryed, but no it doesn't work!

I tryed both this configurations:

C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Color\Profiles

and

C:\Users\manicardi\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Color\Settings

[Biggs47]

Maybe we have to use Adobe Bridge to feed it to the other applications. Or, it's simply not meant to be used as a working space. What is the profile exactly? I'm not super familiar with Colorgate. Also, let me know what you're trying to accomplish with the color profile.

I'm going to look into using Bridge to supply the profile, and i'll get back to you. Hopefully with an answer.

[Biggs47]

At a glance it looks like Colorgate makes color mapping profiles. Say, if you wanted to make your proofer look like your press, or one press to look like another. These wouldnt be working color spaces (for the sake of design or graphics). These profiles would be for output purposes. 

[mm90280672]

You can download the .ICC file here

https://cloud.omso.it/s/4qgqjyZnxTR2GDB

[Biggs47]

Yeah, this is CGATS data for output simulation. It's ICC is classed for output.

You would print to this profile, or a combination of this profile and the printer profile.

For example Adobe Illustrator>Gracol  Printer/Press>Gracol>Colorgate Simulation profil. You would use whatever color standard your press is profiled to. The colorgate profile then would point the standard to look like another press, proofer, or whatever you captured to colorgate data from.

Anyway, in the file you just sent, it's most definitly marked for OUTPUT only. You cant use it as a working space.

[mm90280672]

Ok, so I have to set Colorgate Profile here, right?

[Biggs47]

That looks like your print dialog window - if so - than yes. Your printer will use that color data to output whatever data you captured in the profile. To the best of it's ability.

Your ICC profile was made from a different printer than you're printing to now? or is it the same device that printed the charts you measured to make the profile? I guess it's not too much of my business, but I might be able to help you further if you need it.

I'm just not sure what the goal is. It would be to either profile a single printer to a target color space OR make one print device look like another print device. But, if you have it from here, I would say your good to go.

[mm90280672]

Yes is it the print dialog window, Yes the ICC profile was made by a different printer.

The goal is to use in Illustrator the same Color Profile as my printing machine. The printig machine uses Colorgate to rip a PDF file I made with Illustrator, the problem is that the result in print is diffrent from the Illustrator file. So there are two way to go: 1 I use the Color profile from Colorgate in Illustrator; 2 I simulate in Illustrator the result using the .Icc output. But Iit seemes that llustrator does not recognize .ICC file.

[Biggs47]

It's not a practice to use a printer profile as a working space. In fact using it as a working space would cause a lot of problems. you'd be twice applying whatever color moves were applied in the output profile. instead it's best to design in a profile that matches your printers target color space, not results of the printer's attempt to hit the target.

Otherwise, you're starting with adjustments in place - and then, when you print, those adjustment will be applied again, moving you even futher from your desired color.

Say when you profiled the printer/press and the press missed a green patch - the profile will tell the machine "next time you print this green, add +5 Cyan to hit the target" - if you choose to work with +5 cyan already applied, when you print, you'll end up with a total of plus 10 cyan. 

Now, if your color is off on the prints, it may be best to take a second look at the output profile you're usuing. If it's coming from a different machine than you're printing with now, it's best to use a profile from the machine that's making the prints. otherwise the instructions in the profile, made specificaly for printer1 wont apply to printer number2 - as both machines arent starting in the same place.

Hopefully that makes some kinda sense. if person1 can get to his destination by taking 3 steps forward and 2 steps left, that doesnt mean person2, standing in a different location, can take the same amount of steps and reach the same place. 

[Conrad_C]

Yes is it the print dialog window, Yes the ICC profile was made by a different printer.

The goal is to use in Illustrator the same Color Profile as my printing machine. The printig machine uses Colorgate to rip a PDF file I made with Illustrator, the problem is that the result in print is diffrent from the Illustrator file. So there are two way to go: 1 I use the Color profile from Colorgate in Illustrator; 2 I simulate in Illustrator the result using the .Icc output. But Iit seemes that llustrator does not recognize .ICC file.

By @mm90280672

I agree with the others. It would not be typical to use this profile in the Print dialox box.

After you locate the profile by its proper name, to preview the document as the Colorgate RIP would render it, the options are:

• Soft-proof (on screen): Use the profile for soft-proofing, in the command View > Proof Setup > Customize. 
• Hard proof (print, only if you are actually printing!): If this was Photoshop, you could set it to Hard Proof and use the Colorgate profile through your printer profile to simulate colors. But I don’t see a Hard Proof option in the Print dialog box in Illustrator, so I guess this isn’t an option. That means there is no reason to select the profile in the Print dialog box, if you are not doing the actual final print.

If you”re not talking about previewing but instead about converting Illustrator document colors to the Colorgate profile, that would never involve the Print dialog box.

Are you required to hand off an Illustrator file and Colorgate can convert to its output color space from an embedded profile? In that case, just make sure when you used the File > Save As command, that Embed ICC Profiles was enabled. Or, are you required to hand off in a different file format?

[NB, colourmanagement · Accepted solution]

@mm90280672If the Colorgate Profile you have isn't showing up in Adobe apps it could have differing internal and external names,

that seems to be quite common practice with some makers of icc profiles for some inexplicable reason. All irt does is confuse users and generate support events!

I'm afraid I don't know how to check that on Windows. but I did download your profile and check in Colorthink 4 - and indeed the internal name differs, so in applications you'd want to look for the internal name (see below, under "internal name" it's actually quite different) to the filesystem name:

I'd expect your Colorgate RIP to deal with all this icc conversion anyway but that’s a different matter

. 

I hope this helps

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[mm90280672]

Bingo!

I have the internal file name on my list, so I found a way to preview my artwork before printing them. Thi is REALLY helpful for our peoject! Thank you very much!!!!

[NB, colourmanagement]

@mm90280672 "Ok, so I have to set Colorgate Profile here, right?"

I'd say NO
That’s your print dialogue, I think, is "profilo stampante" printer profile?

You'd only setthe (colorgate) profile there as "output /printer profile"  IF the (colorgate) icc profile corresponded to the printer you're about to use. Pretty unlikely if it's your own printer. 

When printing to the Colorgate RIP I'd expect you'd just add a saved file to a Colorgate hotfolder, it's unusual with a RIP to "print" using Photoshop's Print dialogue 

We need to know WHY you want to use the Colorgate profile in Adobe applications? The only valid use I can think of is for softproofing or cross-rendered proofing to another printing device. 

I hope this helps

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[mm90280672]

Yes, I want to have a preview before to print with our printing machine.