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Specific Color Management Question in Windows 10

Participant ,
Sep 27, 2024 Sep 27, 2024

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Posting here as no more generic place to post in these forums and hoping Adobe folks will have a "correct" answer.  I have googled until fingers bled and seems no one know for sure THIS answer. Split maybe 50/50.

 

Please do not guess or if you must, mark your answer as a guess.

 

In color manging Windows 10, I want to know:

1. What does this setting do?

2. What should it be selected to?

   a. The default sRGB, or...

   b. The same as the selected ICM on the first page - for the monitor profile.

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From the first page of settings:

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Thanks!

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Sep 28, 2024 Sep 28, 2024

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The settings in the Advanced tab don't affect color management. I have no idea what they do, just leave them alone.

(I suspect that these are legacy settings from before proper color management was introduced. Somebody once wrote on this forum that not even Microsoft engineers can explain what they do.)

 

The monitor profile (Devices tab) is the basis of color management – it is a description of your monitor's color response.

When you open an image in LrC, Photoshop, or any other color managed application, the colors are converted from the document profile (for instance sRGB or Adobe RGB) to the monitor profile, so that correct colors are displayed.

 

For this to happen, the monitor profile has to be sound and correct.

I see you're using a Dell profile, and profiles from monitor manufacturers are often defective out of the box. Dell has a particularly bad reputation. (these profiles are often installed with Windows updates)

 

If you're concerned about correct colors, use a hardware calibrator to calibrate your monitor.

This will also create and install a custom monitor profile that contains an accurate description of your monitor's color response.

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Sep 28, 2024 Sep 28, 2024

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Thanks, but not the question. As I alluded, half of the "opinions" on that specific field say leave at sRGB system default and half to match the chosen monitor ICM. As you say, you have no idea what they do, yet state leave them alone. Not my question.

 

What DOES it do and what to choose and perhaps why.

 

Well familiar with color calibration, etc. Another question and another answer, but not this one. And I am the master of my Windows updates, not M'soft. And again, a different question. But thanks for replying.

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Sep 28, 2024 Sep 28, 2024

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If you want me to, I can ask a moderator to move this thread to the Color Management forum which is where it belongs.

You're not likely to get many more replies on this busy forum, where threads move to page 2 and beyond quite quickly.

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Sep 28, 2024 Sep 28, 2024

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Please do. I did not find that when I was looking for where to post this. Thanks.

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Sep 30, 2024 Sep 30, 2024

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@Bob Ulius -  @Per Berntsen wrote: "If you're concerned about correct colors, use a hardware calibrator to calibrate your monitor.

This will also create and install a custom monitor profile that contains an accurate description of your monitor's color response."

absolutely right.

 

I hope this helps
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Sep 30, 2024 Sep 30, 2024

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Thanks NB. But has nothing to do with my question. Though I appreciate you taking a moment to reply.

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Sep 30, 2024 Sep 30, 2024

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@Bob Ulius well it kinda does because that's your "device profile" What you originally posted appears to refer to the WCS (Windows Color System), which appeared, I think, just about the time Microsoft left the ICC more here. and here

The WCS seems to have never been fully implemented so IMO @Per Berntsen is right. 

 

I hope this helps
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Sep 29, 2024 Sep 29, 2024

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I suggest you also post in the Photoshop forum, there are some world-class experts there.

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Sep 30, 2024 Sep 30, 2024

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@Derek Cross I moved it to Color Management Discussions

ATB
NeilB 

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Sep 30, 2024 Sep 30, 2024

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@Bob Ulius I've moved your post to 'Color Management Discussions' where I hope some Windows-savvy CM guys will pitch in.@D Fosse perhaps?

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Sep 30, 2024 Sep 30, 2024

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@Bob Ulius some info from Microsofts own forums here and here, its not been mentioned since 2012 it seems

also: here a bit more recent: 2017 

good luck, I'd just go with @Per Berntsen's recommendations

 

I hope this helps neil barstow, colourmanagement net - adobe forum volunteer - co-author: 'getting colour right' google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management Help others by clicking "Correct Answer" if the question is answered. Found the answer elsewhere? Share it here. "Upvote" is for useful posts.

 

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Sep 29, 2024 Sep 29, 2024

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I think all the experts on color management on the Photoshop forum visit this forum frequently.

And double posts lead to confusion and misunderstandings, and should be avoided.

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Oct 01, 2024 Oct 01, 2024

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@Per Berntsen as I moved it, it should only be in Color management now. Not repeated elsewhere.

Do you have any ideas for @Bob Ulius ?


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