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Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?

Forum|Forum|16 years ago
April 6, 2009
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The previous webforum/NNTP interface had roughly 90 percent of the questions coming from the webforum, and 90 percent of the mostly correct replies coming from the NNTP newgroup users.

The newsgroup users are for the most part NOT going to use this web forum.

so for the most part- there are 50 or 100 people who tried to offer help daily, who are not "in here" and won't participate because this web forum interface is just slow and clunky and flashy. We just want TEXT. NNTP. WORDS.

I've been ACE and TMM longer than i can remember. Not renewing.

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kiusau wrote:

When the question was asked, it was made in reference to another post, and David was asked to refer to that post when responding.

But you still asked it in this thread, as did the other user. Give people a chance to get used to the new forum before you start sprouting on about how things should be done.

I have several alternatives in mind. Should I remain, however, I do not believe that anyone would refuse to answer a question related to CSS, HTML, and JavaScript -- the three pillars necessary for success with Dreamweaver.

I'm sure people probably wouldn't mind answering those type of questions, they have done so in the past. There comes a point however, when someone overdoes the 'asking' and may never get a response that suits them. How long have you been asking the same/similar question though (I can vaguely remember you asking this while NNTP was still alive).

If you can't get the answer here, try the alternative forums you say you have found, I'm sure they'll love to have you :-p

But you still asked it in this thread, as did the other user. Give people a chance to get used to the new forum before you start sprouting on about how things should be done.

The question was asked to bring David back to the substance of this forum -- not to pollute a discussion that is already out of place in it. Llke everyone, David is a creature of habit. Unlike everyone, he holds a leadership position in this forum and others and should be made aware of the bad example that he is setting.

Nadia Perre wrote:
I'm sure people probably wouldn't mind answering those type of questions, they have done so in the past. There comes a point however, when someone overdoes the 'asking' and may never get a response that suits them. How long have you been asking the same/similar question though (I can vaguely remember you asking this while NNTP was still alive).

I believe that you have me confused with someone else, as I first began experimenting with rounded corners only several days ago. If the response to my questions about their use is any indication of the forum's knowledge in this matter, then I have already made an important contribution with each additional entry to my original post.

Nadia Perre wrote:
If you can't get the answer here, try the alternative forums you say you have found, I'm sure they'll love to have you :-p

I am sorry, but the expression :-p is not part of my technical vocabulary.

Roddy

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Anonymous

It's a good forum. I mean really, a forum is a forum and is really only as good as it's users.

I agree that with extra formatting capabilities comes the possibility of even more abuse and can lead to improper website posters etc...

but really it comes down to how well the forums are administered and monitored. I know as a smaller company, I had to eliminate my forums due to an increase in abuse. One message always spawns another since the search engines start finding you for certain raunchier keywords then everyone wanting to advertise those sights comes crashing down your door.

But as I said it all comes down to the people.

Good people, good help and good debates and good advice that's what makes a forum great.

The interface is a standard one seen in many other forums.

A WYSIWYG interface is the new standard for most forums.

If you don't want it there is probably check mark in your profile settings that you can change to not use the WYSIWYG

interface and just use a text only interface.

Participant

I love the new forums! Thank you Adobe for giving me one place to get help.

I used to have to go to two different places - no more! I use Dreamweaver and other tools in the suite - like photoshop so it's better for me to stay in once place instead of bouncing back and forth.

Better searching, plus tons of new features.

NNTP is kind of outdated anyway so I have no problem with that - I have rss and email working fine.

I created a rule so all the emails go to one place - not a big deal

John Waller

Community Expert

"NNTP is kind of outdated anyway so I have no problem with that"

What gives you that idea? Plenty of good support forums offer NNTP access. RSS and email is no substitute for NNTP.

You have clearly never used newsgroups properly with their unparalleled advantages of SPEED, efficiency of navigation and screen layout (so much quicker and easier to read), threads (so conversations between individuals are obvious on screen-the threaded view on this forum is nothing like NNTP threads), filtering ("view all replies to my messages") etc.

PS: you're entitled to your opinion about the forums of course. Just don't dismiss NNTP as outdated technology. It's been around for a long time but it's still in widespread use for support forums because it works - excellently - and is a perfect platform for quickly sharing information and ideas.

juanfordroad

Known Participant

WOW! What a gang of intellectuals with not much to say other than: "Git outta here kid, ya bother me!" I've been on many a forum thread with various questions but this one takes the cake. Granted, I haven't used the 'old' system since I'm new to DW and really need help in all areas. But reading the rants and raves of you 'learned folks' about what is Nirvana and what isn't is just way over the top of what this thing is all about; helping us dummies to understand how to use a very complicated piece of software. I harken back to some remote episode of Star Trek where the aliens were so far above everyone that they no longer needed to be physical beings. Kinda like 'Gods' of the universe. If that's what you 'learned folks' think you are, then I have 3 words for you: "Get over yourselves!". Last time I checked, forums such as these were designed to 'help' numbskulls like me with problems rather than postulating their importance to the world. From what I see, the design of this 'new' style seems to be OK and, once I am able to formulate an intelligent question on my DW dilemmas, I'll look here, as well as the 'Cow' for answers. Y'all need to take a step back and re-read what going on here. Not about helping others but boasting about who's got the biggest ego! [ IMHO ]

Have a great evening!

(Sorry but I'm not smart enough to find the spelllll checker)

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JayJhabrix

Inspiring

Interesting....

The question has been marked as answered.... and the winner is none other than our own, dear kiusua aka 'hot rod' roddy!

Can we all please give him a round of applause? Well done roddy, we're all proud of you... You truly are a shining example! A beacon, as it were, for all of us.

And, unless i am mistaken, the award was conferred by none other than 'the real blu'...

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Anonymous

jhabrix wrote:
And, unless i am mistaken, the award was conferred by none other than 'the real blu'...

Is there is something that could be called "misleading pink", then it would be this:

I'll let others decide whether I'm setting a good or bad example.
In the meantime, I recommend that you (and everyone else) read the Forum Etiquette and Best Practices.

Roddy

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Anonymous

These forums have many on edge. Even the folks at Adobe have probably gotten the idea.

I feel anything more I could contribute to this discussion would be unproductive at this point.

Thanks David for your undieing willingness to help others with issues you understand so well.

How often can one have the help of the actual author of a book? Since the answer to that is "almost never" I think we should all be grateful or be quiet.

IMHO,

Ken

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Anonymous

It truly sucks....

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rudolph11111

Participant

I think it is a massive step backwards

the nntp forums worked well

this is just clunky, slow and a hinderance

wake up adobe and smell the coffee

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LRK 2

Known Participant

LRK, Such nautical terms.

Sorry about that. I love nautical terms because they represent life in so many cool ways.

On another note, I would like to at least make one suggestion. It would be helpful if we could set our preferences to reverse the order of each thread, to where the last post is at the top, and so forth. This would at least prevent the continuous need to find the last page to see what has been posted.

As for bookmarking, at this point I guess the best we can do is use our browsers to bookmark. Not very high tech I admit but it looks like high tech has turned on it's heals and we are headed the other direction.

David_Powers

Inspiring

It would be helpful if we could set our preferences to reverse the order of each thread, to where the last post is at the top, and so forth.

I think that might be rather confusing. However, there is already a very convenient way to get to the most recent post. Just click XX (minutes|hours) ago above the person's name in the Last Post column of the main discussion list. That takes you directly to the last post.

If you're already inside a thread, there's a "last post" link at the top of the page.

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the_real_bluAuthor

Participating Frequently

for outsiders- think about it.

THIS topic i started has over 400 reads.

The old nntp/webforum setup did 300+ messages a day. This is not doing that. Can't see any overall stats because every link i click opens something else...

What number of new questions have good answers.

What IS the number of new questions.

massive fail.

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Anonymous

I'm searching but not finding... is there a way to bookmark a thread? Like the old threads, so I can easily come back to the thread I want to follow up on?

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bregent

Participating Frequently

Saskatchewanobie wrote:
I'm searching but not finding... is there a way to bookmark a thread? Like the old threads, so I can easily come back to the thread I want to follow up on?

I don't think you can currently. This would be an important addition and we should request it.

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LRK 2

Known Participant

One more thing…

I get the feeling that Adobe needs to clean house. The captain of this ship doesn't seem to have a proper compass.

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Anonymous

LRK, Such nautical terms. I guess that's a lot better than using other sailor language these forums deserve.

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LRK 2

Known Participant

I am still scratching my head over some of these changes. This new forum setup seems inefficient and difficult to keep track of. My preference was the original Adobe Forum setup. It was pretty close to what I would call the perfect forum setup. Professional, user friendly, and well thought out in so many ways. I can't for the life of me understand why Adobe would change to a setup like this for professionals. On the plus side, I will be keeping track of much fewer threads this way, so I won't waste as much time using the forums.

I also understand that Adobe removed the ability to use news readers. Whereas I don't use a news reader, I know that it is supposed to be a very efficient way for those who help others, such as Murray. Because I want to support our faithful Support base, I am in favor of requesting that Adobe give this feature back to it's support base.

I keep trying to guess why change something that worked so well for so long was replaced. It wasn't broken; why did it need to be fixed? Now it's broken. Now it feels more like teenie bopper town than professional Adobe interaction. I guess the word is: Juvenile?

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Anonymous

Not at all, very cumbersome and slow.

Bewildered.

MurraySummers

Inspiring

It appears to me that bewildered is bewidered.

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Anonymous

Bewilderment, in itself, is not so bad

Plastics....

That is the future

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