Linking to Fragment Identifiers

[lukas-h]

Does  anyone has any advice on how to create links to fragment identifiers? I was using Dreamweaver Creative Suite which worked fine for this. In fact, it was very good. Now, before someone says "named anchors are deprecated" let me say yes, I know this. But fragment identifiers are perfectly valid, non-deprecated HTML. In fact, you can still use anchors in exactly the same method with one caveat; that you don't use a "name" attribute" and instead use the ID attribute. Either way, in DW Creative Suite I could give a DIV, P or A element and ID attribute, then to create the link to it in Dreamweaver, you could drag the "Point to file" target tool in Properties to the element in the Design content view, and it would add the "#fragment-identifier" URL to the link box on the selected text. This was, and still is, perfectly valid HTML that IS NOT DEPRECATED. How do you create a link to a fragment identifier in Dreamweaver now that Adobe have broken the Point to File and linking.

Adobe have instructions on this page https://helpx.adobe.com/au/dreamweaver/using/linking.html#link_to_a_named_anchor_using_the_point_to_... but it doesn't work. I've tried to submit a bug report to Adobe but they just tell me that named anchors are deprecated. I tried to tell them I'm not using named anchors, I'm using ID'd anchors, which used to work in DW Creative Suite. But now I updated to Creative Cloud this important feature is broken. DW doesn't even behave how they say it does, and their support staff just tell me it's deprecated like complete idiots.

I've been reading and following W3C specifications since the late 90s, I know what I'm trying to do, and what used to work, IS NOT DEPRECATED and is perfectly valid HTML. How do you link to these without using code view and cut-and-paste? Alternatively, does anybody know any other software that something like this works for?

[Nancy OShea]

Use manual code.

On the same page:

<a href="#ID"> Link<a>

On another page:

<a href="page_name.html/#ID">Link</a>

[BenPleysier]

As @Nancy OShea says, only in code view.

The software that I use also has no point and click, it does have select and fill-in-the-details while in preview mode.

[lukas-h]

Thanks @Nancy OShea and @BenPleysier, I know how to do this in code view. I'm specifically asking if there's a UI to do this as described in Adobe's help file I linked to. It used to work, and worked with IDs on any element. If Adobe don't fix it I'll stop my subscription and use my beloved text editor as I regularly work on very long documents with a table of contents at the top. To link all the fragment IDs used to be really easy in Creative Suite using the Point to File target tool (as described in Adobe's help page) — you just drag it down the page to the section to link to. Now this doesn't work and Adobe's user guide is wrong. It's a clear regression in funcionality by upgrading.

@BenPleysier, thanks for the tip about Wappler. I'll give it a go. I already have BBEdit for code, if Wappler is good then I'll probably buy Pixelmator to replace Photoshop and then cancel my Adobe subscription. I've been using Adobe since 1998 so it seems like end of an era. I actually still miss Adobe GoLive

[BenPleysier]

It looks like I am a newbie in comparison, I started in 2000 on a ColdFusion project.

This is a YouTube playlist that I am working on.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUjqTJN3byC9fUoXFnoNGlYBCBZOJUPca

[B i r n o u]

yes, too bad that the pick quick is broken... 😞 to my knowledge, DW was the only IDE to have such a feature.

woaw... sniff.. I started in 1987 using HyperTalk then couple of years later AppleScript and/or Lingo for the first time on a multimedia projects...

[lukas-h]

It would be great if Adobe when removing a feature that is perfectly functional and valid, created an alternative. I would be money I'm not the only person who wants to link to a Frag-ID. If a drop-down in the create hyperlink dialog or some similar method. And yeah, I remember Hypercard. I was too young though and ended up doing more projects in Director

[B i r n o u]

yes Lingo was magic... moreover it was already object oriented, with birth and kill... anthropomorphism when you hold us... 🙂

I don't think the feature was removed. I think it was either a forgotten break point (the quick pick still works on the file panel), or when the code editor (bracket) and renderer (chromium) were integrated into the IDE it may not have offered the same listeners than the previous one... (pick quick doesn't work either in code view, nor in display view)

[lukas-h]

I don't think the feature was removed. I think it was either a forgotten break point (the quick pick still works on the file panel), or when the code editor (bracket) and renderer (chromium) were integrated into the IDE ...

By @B i r n o u

I would just like a way to add a link to fragment IDs without all the back and forth scrolling I have to do. The Point to File thing worked is CS for elements with IDs. Seems that the "named anchors are deprecated" developer was over zealous in removing the functionality. In the meantime, I've come up with a workaround by using jQuery to build an undorderd list of fragment ID links then copy the HTML from the web browser.

Lingo was interesting, and was my introduction to OO programming.

[Nancy OShea]

I beta tested Hot Metal Pro, Netscape Navigator which was both a browser & HTML coding tool.  At the L.A. Internet Convention, my goodies/gift bag contained a free copy of Net Objects Fusion which I used for a while until I got fed up with it's proprietary, non-standards compliant code and switched to DW.  

Fast forward to present day, DW is not receiving any new features/bug fixes.  It's only minimally maintained now.  I still use it alongside other web tools, however.

I mainly work with Code/Split View.  IMO, clumsy panels are too imprecise & inefficient to be of any value.  Your mileage may vary of course. 

[B i r n o u]

I beta tested Hot Metal Pro, Netscape Navigator which was both a browser & HTML coding tool.  At the L.A. Internet Convention, my goodies/gift bag contained a free copy of Net Objects Fusion

By @Nancy OShea

woaw the world is so small...it would be almost touching 

at that time I was living in a house owned by Christopher Hull and Paul Van der Hoof... both of them was involved in the computer/multimedia industry... Chris was working on QuickDraw then left Apple for being deeply involved in the birth and maturation of what would become Mosaic Netscape.

they are the ones who a few years ago offered me all my first Macintosh...

I'm sure we must have met , at least crossing each other , without knowing at the L.A Internet Convention, what years ? or probably at the Comdex in Las Vegas ... I went there until 95

[Nancy OShea]

@B i r n o u 

It was the early-mid 90's during the height of our dot com bubble.  Packed crowds gathered around Macromedia's, Adobe's and Microsoft's live talks & hands-on demos.  But demand far exceeded available seats/computer stations.

I went again in '98 while working at UCLA. They told me to go. But by then the big players had given way to young start-ups seeking investors.  Shortly after, the dot com bubble burst. 

[B i r n o u]

@B i r n o u 

... and Microsoft's live talks

By @Nancy OShea

I remember at the time of Chicago (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_95)...(early mid 90)  in internal team we called Microsoft by the name of ... blue screen... because each time we try to connect any peripherical we spend hours... and hours... to make it works... instead of always getting a blue screen...

We was most using OS/2 which was much more stable ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 or other machine like SPARCstation 10... so faster at that time...

I remember that before Photoshop came up we used Live picture editing allowing easly to work on large image... with no need to use a Daystar daughter board to speed up process (as on Macintosh) when bluring images to remove the raster from the digitized printed picture.

Windows was so far away.?... I don't remember them talking on multimédia fields... 🙂