OT: interesting problem and a solution

Report · Oct 02, 2006

I have a site that I want to bring under template control. Some pages will
be HTML pages. Some pages will be PHP pages. I want to use INCLUDES with
the site (it's a rebuild of an existing site).

If I use HTML SSI, that works fine, but only in pages with *.html
extensions. If I use PHP SSI, those don't work at all in *.html pages.
What to do?

I use *BOTH*, like this -




HTML files recognize the HTML SSI and ignore the PHP one since it's in an
HTML comment. PHP pages ignore the HTML SSI, and execute the PHP one,
ignoring the fact that it's in an HTML comment.

This way, I can have both includes within the non-editable regions and I'm
laughing....

Do you see any downside to doing it this way?

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Report · Oct 02, 2006

> HTML files recognize the HTML SSI and ignore the PHP one since it's in an
> HTML comment. PHP pages ignore the HTML SSI, and execute the PHP one,
> ignoring the fact that it's in an HTML comment.
>
> This way, I can have both includes within the non-editable regions and I'm
> laughing....
>
> Do you see any downside to doing it this way?

Seems a bit odd to me. Why not just use a PHP templating system instead with
includes for design elements? Why have HTML pages at all in a PHP site?

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Report · Oct 02, 2006

>> Do you see any downside to doing it this way?

It might blow up if it is ever moved to a new server.

I'd either rename your HTML pages, or set up the server to process HTML
pages as PHP pages (the latter likely being the easiest solution).

-Darrel

Report · Oct 02, 2006

On 02 Oct 2006 in macromedia.dreamweaver.appdev, Murray *ACE* wrote:

> Do you see any downside to doing it this way?

What Muck said. Is this on an Apache server? If so, do a MOD_REWRITE
from *.html to *.php, possibly with a 301 thrown in.

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Report · Oct 02, 2006

It's an existing site, on a Windows server. I don't want to rename files.
And I don't want to use multiple templates.

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"Tom Muck" <tommuck@NOSPAM.basic-drumbeat.com> wrote in message
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>> HTML files recognize the HTML SSI and ignore the PHP one since it's in an
>> HTML comment. PHP pages ignore the HTML SSI, and execute the PHP one,
>> ignoring the fact that it's in an HTML comment.
>>
>> This way, I can have both includes within the non-editable regions and
>> I'm laughing....
>>
>> Do you see any downside to doing it this way?
>
> Seems a bit odd to me. Why not just use a PHP templating system instead
> with includes for design elements? Why have HTML pages at all in a PHP
> site?
>
>
> --
> Tom Muck
> co-author Dreamweaver MX 2004: The Complete Reference
> http://www.tom-muck.com/
>
> Cartweaver Development Team
> http://www.cartweaver.com
>
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> http://www.communitymx.com/
>

Report · Oct 02, 2006

Problem is, it doesn't work! 8(

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"Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> It's an existing site, on a Windows server. I don't want to rename files.
> And I don't want to use multiple templates.
>
> --
> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> Adobe Community Expert
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>
>
> "Tom Muck" <tommuck@NOSPAM.basic-drumbeat.com> wrote in message
> news:efrnek$k67$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>>> HTML files recognize the HTML SSI and ignore the PHP one since it's in
>>> an HTML comment. PHP pages ignore the HTML SSI, and execute the PHP
>>> one, ignoring the fact that it's in an HTML comment.
>>>
>>> This way, I can have both includes within the non-editable regions and
>>> I'm laughing....
>>>
>>> Do you see any downside to doing it this way?
>>
>> Seems a bit odd to me. Why not just use a PHP templating system instead
>> with includes for design elements? Why have HTML pages at all in a PHP
>> site?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tom Muck
>> co-author Dreamweaver MX 2004: The Complete Reference
>> http://www.tom-muck.com/
>>
>> Cartweaver Development Team
>> http://www.cartweaver.com
>>
>> Extending Knowledge Daily
>> http://www.communitymx.com/
>>
>
>

Report · Oct 02, 2006

ROFL, sorry mate!

Could you not tell the server to access html files as PHP files? (Or allow
PHP code to be executed in HTML files?)

That seems like it would be the ideal situation to me, but I'm not sure how
Windows handles that.

Jon

"Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> Problem is, it doesn't work! 8(
>
> --
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>
>
> "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:efro1j$ksk$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>> It's an existing site, on a Windows server. I don't want to rename
>> files. And I don't want to use multiple templates.
>>
>> --
>> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
>> Adobe Community Expert
>> (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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>> ==================
>>
>>
>> "Tom Muck" <tommuck@NOSPAM.basic-drumbeat.com> wrote in message
>> news:efrnek$k67$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>>>> HTML files recognize the HTML SSI and ignore the PHP one since it's in
>>>> an HTML comment. PHP pages ignore the HTML SSI, and execute the PHP
>>>> one, ignoring the fact that it's in an HTML comment.
>>>>
>>>> This way, I can have both includes within the non-editable regions and
>>>> I'm laughing....
>>>>
>>>> Do you see any downside to doing it this way?
>>>
>>> Seems a bit odd to me. Why not just use a PHP templating system instead
>>> with includes for design elements? Why have HTML pages at all in a PHP
>>> site?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Muck
>>> co-author Dreamweaver MX 2004: The Complete Reference
>>> http://www.tom-muck.com/
>>>
>>> Cartweaver Development Team
>>> http://www.cartweaver.com
>>>
>>> Extending Knowledge Daily
>>> http://www.communitymx.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Report · Oct 02, 2006

> Could you not tell the server to access html files as PHP files? (Or allow
> PHP code to be executed in HTML files?)

This may be how I have to do it....

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"crash" <crash@bcdcdigital.com> wrote in message
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> ROFL, sorry mate!
>
> Could you not tell the server to access html files as PHP files? (Or allow
> PHP code to be executed in HTML files?)
>
> That seems like it would be the ideal situation to me, but I'm not sure
> how Windows handles that.
>
> Jon
>
> "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:efrovf$m0g$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>> Problem is, it doesn't work! 8(
>>
>> --
>> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
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>> ==================
>>
>>
>> "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
>> news:efro1j$ksk$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>>> It's an existing site, on a Windows server. I don't want to rename
>>> files. And I don't want to use multiple templates.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
>>> Adobe Community Expert
>>> (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
>>> ==================
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>>> http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
>>> http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
>>> http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes
>>> ==================
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Muck" <tommuck@NOSPAM.basic-drumbeat.com> wrote in message
>>> news:efrnek$k67$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>>>>> HTML files recognize the HTML SSI and ignore the PHP one since it's in
>>>>> an HTML comment. PHP pages ignore the HTML SSI, and execute the PHP
>>>>> one, ignoring the fact that it's in an HTML comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> This way, I can have both includes within the non-editable regions and
>>>>> I'm laughing....
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you see any downside to doing it this way?
>>>>
>>>> Seems a bit odd to me. Why not just use a PHP templating system instead
>>>> with includes for design elements? Why have HTML pages at all in a PHP
>>>> site?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Muck
>>>> co-author Dreamweaver MX 2004: The Complete Reference
>>>> http://www.tom-muck.com/
>>>>
>>>> Cartweaver Development Team
>>>> http://www.cartweaver.com
>>>>
>>>> Extending Knowledge Daily
>>>> http://www.communitymx.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Report · Oct 02, 2006

On 02 Oct 2006 in macromedia.dreamweaver.appdev, Murray *ACE* wrote:

>> Could you not tell the server to access html files as PHP files?
>> (Or allow PHP code to be executed in HTML files?)
>
> This may be how I have to do it....

If you've got SSIs working in files with extension .html, you're already
convincing the server that they're server-parsed HTML (.shtml), so it's
only a small step to change that to PHP. I still like rewriting *.html
to *.php, though.

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Report · Oct 02, 2006

Much harder to do on a Windows server....

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"Joe Makowiec" <makowiec@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 02 Oct 2006 in macromedia.dreamweaver.appdev, Murray *ACE* wrote:
>
>>> Could you not tell the server to access html files as PHP files?
>>> (Or allow PHP code to be executed in HTML files?)
>>
>> This may be how I have to do it....
>
> If you've got SSIs working in files with extension .html, you're already
> convincing the server that they're server-parsed HTML (.shtml), so it's
> only a small step to change that to PHP. I still like rewriting *.html
> to *.php, though.
>
> --
> Joe Makowiec
> http://makowiec.net/
> Email: http://makowiec.net/email.php