Master Page usage doesnt do anything

Report · Jun 20, 2011

I have a document with several different masterpage styles. some landscaped others not and text blocks are in several different locations on each. when i use the format, layout, master page usage, pick the proper masterpage and hit apply nothing happens. well sometimes nothing. but its not correct. when i apply a landscape page it does rotate the page but does not put the text boxes in the proper spots. and if i switch it from a left to a right it will move the header and footer but not the main body box.

Report · Jun 20, 2011

... when i use the format, layout, master page usage, pick the proper masterpage and hit apply nothing happens.

Even if you get that working, it won't be stable. Any edits resulting in more or fewer pages prior to that page will reflow the content onto a page of a different layout, and flow undesired content onto that special MP. You'll have to re-apply by hand to fix it.

If you don't already have a master page mapping table for the document, use AMP,

Format > Page Layout > Apply Master Pages

to auto-create one.

Edit the new "MasterPageMaps" Reference Page to match your key paragraph formats (usually Headings) to the pages they are to be on.

Then use Update References, or Update Book, followed by AMP to keep your content on the desired page formats.

Make sure that you don't create any contradictions. Frame can't resolve conflicts where page content calls for two different MPs.

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I haven't ever used mixing portrait and landscape in the same document. I normally just rotate the content. If I had to mix layouts, I'd be strongly tempted to put the content in different component files of a book.

Report · Jun 20, 2011

that creates another problem.

i need landscaped pages for a table that wont fit in portrate but i have portrait graphics that need to go on a seperate page every few lines in the table. the graphic needs its own page.

i understand the mapping tables but im at the point were i need to get the master page to work right befor i build one.

Report · Jun 20, 2011

another problem i have is when i do apply a landscaped master page it doesnt change the text direction. all my master pages are designed properly so that when i apply one it inserts text left to right. but when i apply the page the text box types up and down so basically its just flipping the page one way or another with out adjusting the text angle.

Report · Jun 20, 2011

another problem i have is when i do apply a landscaped master page it doesnt change the text direction. all my master pages are designed properly so that when i apply one it inserts text left to right. but when i apply the page the text box types up and down so basically its just flipping the page one way or another with out adjusting the text angle.

If I understand you correctly in what you want to do....

View master pages. I presume that you created your landscape master pages by rotating the page (Format > Custum Layout > Rotate Page...). Rotating the page also rotates the text frame on it, as well as the headers and footers. If you right-click (Ctrl +right-click the edge of the frame) the text frame on the master page and select Object Properties, the object properties will show that the text frame has be rotated 90 degress. So, change the rotation to 0 degrees AND interchange the frame's height and width; click Set. You said in an earlier post there were several text frames on each page. So, you will have to do something similar to each frame. You also may have to move the headers and footers around, because the page rotation rotates everything on the page.

NOTE that AFTER the page is rotated, in either direction or back again, the objects ON the page are positioned and rotated relative to the UPPER LEFT corner of the page AS DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN.

Hope this helps,

Van

Report · Jun 20, 2011

>> I haven't ever used mixing portrait and landscape in the same document.

I just ran a little test. I created a new port document, and two new Master Pages ("Right-LS" & "Left-LS") that were a clones of "Right" and "left" except that the Flow A text frame was rotated (I didn't bother with headers or footers, but could have).

I also created a paragraph format ("Heading1-LS") based on "Heading1". Both Heading1's had pagination set to Top of Page.

I did an AMP to create the mapping table, and mapped:

Para	RH	LH	RI
Heading1	Right	Left	Span
Heading1-LS	Right-LS	Left-LS	Span

AMP works perfectly. The text at and following a Heading1-LS is rotated. Layout reverts to port at next normal Heading1.

i need landscaped pages for a table that wont fit in portrate but i have portrait graphics that need to go on a seperate page every few lines in the table. the graphic needs its own page.

Is this a multi-page table? And you need some port content in some cells?

You do know that you can rotate text (and content anchored to text) in table cells? Click in cell. Graphics > Rotate

Report · Jun 22, 2011

I did an AMP to create the mapping table, and mapped:

Para	RH	LH	RI
Heading1	Right	Left	Span
Heading1-LS	Right-LS	Left-LS	Span

That "Span" should be "Until changed".

I just had a need for a landscape multi-page table in a portrait document. I used rotated landscape (portrait) master pages, with rotated headers and footers. It works (and this is FM7.1). The table breaks across pages, and all the pages it's on are in LS layout, left and right.

It is necessary for the triggering para fmts (Heading1-LS and whatever reverts to normal) to specify "Top of Page". Otherwise, you will get "content moved" alerts and some text may end up on incorrect MPs.

I was unable to edit the rotated table, and chose instead to import it as a text inset from a real landscape document. It's much easier to maintain it that way in any case.

There was something odd going on with the paragraph right below the inset, but it seemed to resolve itself.

I didn't have a need to put a TableTitle just on left pages, but I suspect I could use a running H/F on the left MP to accomplish that.

The above is only suitable for print-focused documents, because the PDF will have rotated text on the LS pages, which would be annoying to read even on a tablet (you'd be fighting the tab's orientation sensor).

For on-line-focused documents, you'd probably want real LS pages in the document. I'd do that as a book, with LS chapters. For user convenience printing, that does leave page rotation, and direction thereof, up to the PDF reader, a small risk.

Report · Jun 22, 2011

I was unable to edit the rotated table ...

Learning: the
Format > Customize Layout > Rotate Page

feature fixes that problem, but the page is still rotated 90 in the final PDF.

If I get some time, I may try booking it in as real landscape.

Report · Jun 22, 2011

afaik FM can't edit tables on pages that have been rotated, at least on Windows that's always been the case. Definitely more challenging to maintain the right portion of wide tables when the page has to be rotated back to a portrait view to edit.

Report · Jun 22, 2011

afaik FM can't edit tables on pages that have been rotated, at least on Windows that's always been the case.

I can edit the whole of the landscape table by rotating either the MPs or the Body pages so that the table text is horizontal.

This is on FM 7.1/Unix or FM9/Win7-64.

When unrotated (text running vertically), no edit available.

Report · Jun 23, 2011

If I get some time, I may try booking it in as real landscape.

Didn't work. The rendered PDF still had those "real" LS pages rotated 90 to portrait mode.

Plus, doing a few pages as book components introduced the challenges of duplex pagination when component files have an odd number of pages.

For the present document (page dimensions all the same), the solution is to rotate those few pages in Acrobat Pro post-processing, since that post' needs to happen anyway for other reasons.

Report · Jun 20, 2011

i figured it out after much screwing with it.

my problem was that i had used a template that had been messed with by a non computer savy person that didnt understand master pages so had done everything manually on a body page.

i opened up the original template and imported the page layouts from it and everything is working properly now.

nother quicky newb question.

im building a table that breaks across pages and i only want the table title to show up on left pages sinces the book is in manual form. any suggestions.

Report · Jun 20, 2011

... im building a table that breaks across pages and i only want the table title to show up on left pages ...

I'm pretty sure the Table Continuation system variable doesn't offer that level of control.

If the table is reasonably static (the position of page breaks doesn't change often), I'd be tempted to handle it manually.

Insert rows that fully straddle left to right.
Insert as text, a cross-ref to the Table Title, plus " continued..." as desired.
Use Custom Ruling and Shading to set that row's side and top borders, and the fill, to None.
For extra credit, clone the heading rows similarly.

Possibly it could also be handled by customizing the landscape left master page, and using Running variables for the title continuation. This might be easier if the table title isn't a real table title. I haven't time to fully explore that at the moment.