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Hi,

A novice learning FM 2015, so far I have created a 171 page FM (not Book) file with several imported images as illustrations. I've mainly used a default right page master, but when I have added images (for example, PDF's) that were same size as a page (8.5X11), and didn't want to cover the default right master's added header/footer with that image, used second master that is blank.

When I carriage returned (hit Enter) to add a new page in the same flow (before a page break) in order to add a new image or new text, other previously imported images added to other pages have moved down by the number of pages added and are hiding the text on another page. Also probably added a few disconnected pages, not in a flow to try to prevent this problem.

Beginner's mistakes.

Now, left with this messy FM file, I find that I need to continue to add new pages, new images, a cover page, etc. Each time I try to add,  I have the above problems. Ugh!

So, I need to try to fix this FM file, so that all flows and I can add new pages and new images without ruining the flow, without images moving to cover wrong pages, etc.

Would welcome any suggestions on how to fix this, so hopefully I can "get back on track" with a clean, flowing manuscript.

Thank you in advance for your help.

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So, I need to try to fix this FM file, so that all flows and I can add new pages and new images without ruining the flow, without images moving to cover wrong pages, etc.

The only way I know to fix this after the fact is to copy the text from the disconnected pages and paste it into the correct location in Flow A, and then delete those disconnected pages. There's nothing automatic about it, but it's necessary, as you have learned the hard way.

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Adding Pages FM file

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Hi,

A novice learning FM 2015, so far I have created a 171 page FM (not Book) file with several imported images as illustrations. I've mainly used a default right page master, but when I have added images (for example, PDF's) that were same size as a page (8.5X11), and didn't want to cover the default right master's added header/footer with that image, used second master that is blank.

When I carriage returned (hit Enter) to add a new page in the same flow (before a page break) in order to add a new image or new text, other previously imported images added to other pages have moved down by the number of pages added and are hiding the text on another page. Also probably added a few disconnected pages, not in a flow to try to prevent this problem.

Beginner's mistakes.

Now, left with this messy FM file, I find that I need to continue to add new pages, new images, a cover page, etc. Each time I try to add,  I have the above problems. Ugh!

So, I need to try to fix this FM file, so that all flows and I can add new pages and new images without ruining the flow, without images moving to cover wrong pages, etc.

Would welcome any suggestions on how to fix this, so hopefully I can "get back on track" with a clean, flowing manuscript.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Adobe Community Professional
Correct answer by Barb Binder | Adobe Community Professional
So, I need to try to fix this FM file, so that all flows and I can add new pages and new images without ruining the flow, without images moving to cover wrong pages, etc.

The only way I know to fix this after the fact is to copy the text from the disconnected pages and paste it into the correct location in Flow A, and then delete those disconnected pages. There's nothing automatic about it, but it's necessary, as you have learned the hard way.

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How are you inserting the graphics into your document? Are you creating anchored frames for the graphics to maintain their relative location in the content?

In using FM, you should not think of inserting pages, but rather inserting content into your flow. FM will automatically adjust (when you tell it to apply the master page mapping) and add page layouts. You can use the Master Page Mapping tables to define and automatically apply unique master pages to specific paragraph formats, e.g. your single page PDFs that you used the blank master on.

There are very few reasons to add a Disconnected page in FM, so until you become quite proficient in using FM and have a good reason to, do not use that option.

You also should really consider breaking the document down into component files (Cover, TOC, chapters, appendices, index, etc.) and then use the Book file to have these all behave as a single entity.

You might want to consider getting Matt Sullivan's FM Reference book on creating and editing content in FM. See:

http://www.techcommtools.com/framemaker-reference-book/

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So, I need to try to fix this FM file, so that all flows and I can add new pages and new images without ruining the flow, without images moving to cover wrong pages, etc.

The only way I know to fix this after the fact is to copy the text from the disconnected pages and paste it into the correct location in Flow A, and then delete those disconnected pages. There's nothing automatic about it, but it's necessary, as you have learned the hard way.

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Arnis, Barb,

Thank you for these suggestions. I think I will need to redo some or all of the guide, get it into better format.

Thank you again for these suggestions. Steep learning curve for me.

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This is a tough program to teach yourself. As a career Fm trainer, I highly recommend taking time out for learning, whether that means working through a book, watching Lynda.com videos or taking a class. In the long run, it will be a tremendous timesaver. In the meantime, we are here to help.

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Thank you, Barb.

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Part of my difficulty was importing 8.5 X 11 PDF's using import>File. The master page is 8.5 X 11, so if I imported by placing the insertion point within the smaller than 8.5 X 11 text frame, it shrunk the PDF so some of it was cut off. If I placed the PDF on a new master that was blank, it imported the entire 8.5 X 11 PDF.

I am wondering if I can place a text frame on the new blank master that is 8.5 X 11, which would allow me to place the insertion point in the text frame and  hopefully allow importing of the entire PDF? Can try.

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Can you crop off the margins on the PDF so that it fits within the image area of the Fm template frame? You can crop multiple pages at one time in Adobe Acrobat.

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I created a new master page with a graphics frame 8.5 X 11. Applied this master to 5 pages that have imported PDF's. Seems to have worked, except as before I still think the flow is not set up correctly because of page breaks I manually added. When I did the above, other items displaced, had to be reset, blank pages removed.

BTW, I'm far from "complaining" about this trial and error approach since I learn best hands-on coupled with reading best practices.

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IMHO, you want everything in the main flow—Flow A—so that when you edit text at the beginning of the document, everything reflows as necessary. If it were me, I'd crop the PDFs down the just the image area, and add them to the text in Flow A in anchored frames.

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Much thanks, Barb.

OK: I changed, re-did the entire guide in a single flow, re-imported all images into text frames, including cutting down size of PDF's to fit properly (cropping didn't seem to be an option in Acrobat for an interactive PDF created in LiveCycle Designer. Resized source PDF in that application.) But, it appears to be in much better format.

Test will be when I add new pages, images, and hopefully everything remains flowing.

Then on to building a book with this document as a component, allowing me to add a cover, separate TOC, etc.

Again, thank you.

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