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Is there a way to create a book with module numbering that has a number and a letter.
For example:
Module 9: Family Room Make-Over
Module 9A: Selecting a Paint Color
Module 9B: Selecting a Flooring Style
Module 9C: Selecting Furniture
Module 10: Kitchen Make-Over
Module 10A: Selecting Cupboard Style
Module 10B: Selecting a Counter Top
I'm currently using a building block of <chapnum> that automatically numbers the modules in a book. This information also updates the footer information for the page numbers (example: 9-1, 9-2, 9-3, etc.)
I would like to add a letter with the number as shown in the example above (9A, 9B, 9C, etc.) for some of the modules.
What is the easiest way to do this? Is there a way to automate the book build to get the 9A, 9B, 9C for some modules?
Any help is much appreciated.
Dennis
For example:
Module 9: Family Room Make-Over
Module 9A: Selecting a Paint Color
Module 9B: Selecting a Flooring Style
Module 9C: Selecting Furniture
Module 10: Kitchen Make-Over
Module 10A: Selecting Cupboard Style
Module 10B: Selecting a Counter Top
I'm currently using a building block of <chapnum> that automatically numbers the modules in a book. This information also updates the footer information for the page numbers (example: 9-1, 9-2, 9-3, etc.)
I would like to add a letter with the number as shown in the example above (9A, 9B, 9C, etc.) for some of the modules.
What is the easiest way to do this? Is there a way to automate the book build to get the 9A, 9B, 9C for some modules?
Any help is much appreciated.
Dennis
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Paragraph tag 1: Module 9 N: <n+>< =0>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 9A N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 9B N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 9C N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 1: Module 10 N: <n+>< =0>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 10A N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 10B N: <n><A+>
The settings N: ???? should do it
The < =0> counter resets the 2. position to zero, hence the next has to start with 1=A.
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Paragraph tag 2: Module 9A N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 9B N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 9C N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 1: Module 10 N: <n+>< =0>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 10A N: <n><A+>
Paragraph tag 2: Module 10B N: <n><A+>
The settings N: ???? should do it
The < =0> counter resets the 2. position to zero, hence the next has to start with 1=A.
keep smiling
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Thanks for the idea.
In doing this, how would I build the page numbering to also reflect the 9A, 9B, 9C, etc. So, page numbers would read 9A-1, 9A-2, etc. This will lead to the updating the TOCs with the same page numbers.
Do I also need to build a different Paragraph Tag? Right now, I'm using a tag called CT ChapterTitle that has the following format: <$chapnum>\t
This automatically provides the sequential numbering of the modules.
If anyone has additional thoughts, I'm willing to try.
Dennis T.
In doing this, how would I build the page numbering to also reflect the 9A, 9B, 9C, etc. So, page numbers would read 9A-1, 9A-2, etc. This will lead to the updating the TOCs with the same page numbers.
Do I also need to build a different Paragraph Tag? Right now, I'm using a tag called CT ChapterTitle that has the following format: <$chapnum>\t
This automatically provides the sequential numbering of the modules.
If anyone has additional thoughts, I'm willing to try.
Dennis T.
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Dennis:
If you use the paragraph formats in Thomas' post above to generate your heading numbering, then you can use the building block "<$paranumonly[Paragraph tag 2]>" to format page numbering, both on the pages and in generated lists. On your master pages, define one of the Running Header/Footer variables to use that building block, and then combine it with the pagenumber variable (and a hyphen) to get your desired numbering:
i Running H/F X-# --> "9A-1"
In generated lists, use the building block in the Reference Page strings that define list items:
i <$paranumonly>-<$pagenum> --> "9A-1"
Note that in the generated lists, you can simply use "<$paranumonly>," without specifying the tagname, because each item in a generated list is already uniquely associated with a paragraph tag in the text.
This gets you the correct page numbering format, but AFAIK if you want to restart the numbering at 1 for each of the subordinate heads (what Thomas called "Paragraph tag 2"), you'll need to make separate files at that level within your book. If you're doing that, you could conceivably define <$chapnum> at that subordinate level... but my headset is to reserve the <$chapnum> building block for actual chapters, regardless of how the files are sliced up.
Hope this helps...
-Bill
If you use the paragraph formats in Thomas' post above to generate your heading numbering, then you can use the building block "<$paranumonly[Paragraph tag 2]>" to format page numbering, both on the pages and in generated lists. On your master pages, define one of the Running Header/Footer variables to use that building block, and then combine it with the pagenumber variable (and a hyphen) to get your desired numbering:
i Running H/F X-# --> "9A-1"
In generated lists, use the building block in the Reference Page strings that define list items:
i <$paranumonly>-<$pagenum> --> "9A-1"
Note that in the generated lists, you can simply use "<$paranumonly>," without specifying the tagname, because each item in a generated list is already uniquely associated with a paragraph tag in the text.
This gets you the correct page numbering format, but AFAIK if you want to restart the numbering at 1 for each of the subordinate heads (what Thomas called "Paragraph tag 2"), you'll need to make separate files at that level within your book. If you're doing that, you could conceivably define <$chapnum> at that subordinate level... but my headset is to reserve the <$chapnum> building block for actual chapters, regardless of how the files are sliced up.
Hope this helps...
-Bill
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Bill,
This doesn't work for me. I've tried Thomas' suggestion and I'm not getting the sequencing to work for 9A, 9B, and so on. Therefore, I can't even start on your suggestion.
Is there anyone I can talk with via phone?
Here's my email and I'll make the call. dennis.e.trucks@jpmchase.com
Thanks so much!
Dennis
This doesn't work for me. I've tried Thomas' suggestion and I'm not getting the sequencing to work for 9A, 9B, and so on. Therefore, I can't even start on your suggestion.
Is there anyone I can talk with via phone?
Here's my email and I'll make the call. dennis.e.trucks@jpmchase.com
Thanks so much!
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Dennis:
I'm not really in the Help Desk business, and the advantage of posting here is that someone else might benefit from the exchange (I've often solved my own FM problems by looking at answers to other people's questions here). If the suggestion Thomas provided isn't working for you, though, I'm somewhat at a loss as to what to say: His approach is exactly what I would've suggested.
It might be helpful to establish some parameters: I assume you're broadly familiar with FrameMaker's autonumbering properties? Just to clarify, it's the part of each line of Thomas' example that begins with
i N:
that matters. That label (which could be any single capital letter; there's no special significance to N), followed by a colon, followed by the building blocks for the numbers and letters, all goes in the "Autonumbering Format" field of the "Numbering" tab in the Paragraph Designer. Actually, looking back at your original post, it seems you want the word "Module" at the beginning of the heading and a colon after the number. Thus, the complete autonumbering format for the top-level heading (let's say you call that paragraph tag
i Heading1
) should read:
i N:Module\ <n+>< =0>:\t
...where
i N:
is just a label that identifies this numbering sequence (so it's possible to have more than one sequence in the same document without interference); the word "Module" and the following nonbreaking space (\[space]) are simply text that will appear in the paragraph autonumbering;
i <n+>
is a numerical counter that increments with each new instance of the paragraph;
i < =0>
(and note the space before the equals sign) is a placholder that sets the value of the second numbering position to zero, but doesn't display anything; and
i :\t
is the colon at the end of your autonumber and a tab character to separate the autonumber from the paragraph text (presuming you want to use a tab, that is; this could just as easily be a space or nonbreaking space).
The autonumbering sequence for the subordinate heading (call it
i Heading2
), would be similar:
i N:Module\ <n><A+>:\t
...the difference being that the first counter now returns the same number as the heading above, but doesn't increment, and the second counter returns a capital alpha character whose equivalent numerical value (i.e., 1=A, 2=B, etc.) is the value of the heading above plus 1.
Note that you could replace the first counter in both autonumbering formats with
i <$chapnum>
, as long as you make sure the chapter number is correctly defined for each file in your book. Either way, you'll get the following results:
[First paragraph tagged
i Heading1
in book] -->
b Module 1:
[Heading Text]
[Second paragraph tagged
i Heading1
in book] -->
b Module 2:
[Heading Text]
[First paragraph tagged
i Heading2
under Heading1] -->
b Module 2A:
[Heading Text]
[Second paragraph tagged
i Heading2
under Heading1] -->
b Module 2B:
[Heading Text]
...and so on. Once you've set it up this way, the building block
i <$paranum[Paragraph Tag]>
will return the whole autonumbering string, including text and punctuation, and
i <$paranumonly[Paragraph Tag]>
will return only the values of the counters.
So a cross-reference format for referencing these headings by number and heading text might look like:
i <$paranum>\ <emphasis><$paratext><Default ¶ Font>\
...and would show up in text as "...this topic is discussed in more detail in
b Module 2A:
i Framistat Synchronization
in the next chapter."
To get page numbering at the Heading2 level, you would define one of the user-definable header/footer variables (e.g.,
i Running H/F 3
) as:
i <$paranumonly[Heading2]>
...and then include that variable in a header or footer on your masterpage:
i Running H/F 3-<$curpagenum>
(note that the page number building block will show up as
i #
when you insert it). As I said before, you can (AFAIK) only restart the page numbering to 1 at the beginning of a new file, so you'll have to divide the book into files at the same outline level at which you want to page number.
Hope this makes it all clear and specific; if this still doesn't work for you, you'll need a better guru than me to take this further.
-Bill
I'm not really in the Help Desk business, and the advantage of posting here is that someone else might benefit from the exchange (I've often solved my own FM problems by looking at answers to other people's questions here). If the suggestion Thomas provided isn't working for you, though, I'm somewhat at a loss as to what to say: His approach is exactly what I would've suggested.
It might be helpful to establish some parameters: I assume you're broadly familiar with FrameMaker's autonumbering properties? Just to clarify, it's the part of each line of Thomas' example that begins with
i N:
that matters. That label (which could be any single capital letter; there's no special significance to N), followed by a colon, followed by the building blocks for the numbers and letters, all goes in the "Autonumbering Format" field of the "Numbering" tab in the Paragraph Designer. Actually, looking back at your original post, it seems you want the word "Module" at the beginning of the heading and a colon after the number. Thus, the complete autonumbering format for the top-level heading (let's say you call that paragraph tag
i Heading1
) should read:
i N:Module\ <n+>< =0>:\t
...where
i N:
is just a label that identifies this numbering sequence (so it's possible to have more than one sequence in the same document without interference); the word "Module" and the following nonbreaking space (\[space]) are simply text that will appear in the paragraph autonumbering;
i <n+>
is a numerical counter that increments with each new instance of the paragraph;
i < =0>
(and note the space before the equals sign) is a placholder that sets the value of the second numbering position to zero, but doesn't display anything; and
i :\t
is the colon at the end of your autonumber and a tab character to separate the autonumber from the paragraph text (presuming you want to use a tab, that is; this could just as easily be a space or nonbreaking space).
The autonumbering sequence for the subordinate heading (call it
i Heading2
), would be similar:
i N:Module\ <n><A+>:\t
...the difference being that the first counter now returns the same number as the heading above, but doesn't increment, and the second counter returns a capital alpha character whose equivalent numerical value (i.e., 1=A, 2=B, etc.) is the value of the heading above plus 1.
Note that you could replace the first counter in both autonumbering formats with
i <$chapnum>
, as long as you make sure the chapter number is correctly defined for each file in your book. Either way, you'll get the following results:
[First paragraph tagged
i Heading1
in book] -->
b Module 1:
[Heading Text]
[Second paragraph tagged
i Heading1
in book] -->
b Module 2:
[Heading Text]
[First paragraph tagged
i Heading2
under Heading1] -->
b Module 2A:
[Heading Text]
[Second paragraph tagged
i Heading2
under Heading1] -->
b Module 2B:
[Heading Text]
...and so on. Once you've set it up this way, the building block
i <$paranum[Paragraph Tag]>
will return the whole autonumbering string, including text and punctuation, and
i <$paranumonly[Paragraph Tag]>
will return only the values of the counters.
So a cross-reference format for referencing these headings by number and heading text might look like:
i <$paranum>\ <emphasis><$paratext><Default ¶ Font>\
...and would show up in text as "...this topic is discussed in more detail in
b Module 2A:
i Framistat Synchronization
in the next chapter."
To get page numbering at the Heading2 level, you would define one of the user-definable header/footer variables (e.g.,
i Running H/F 3
) as:
i <$paranumonly[Heading2]>
...and then include that variable in a header or footer on your masterpage:
i Running H/F 3-<$curpagenum>
(note that the page number building block will show up as
i #
when you insert it). As I said before, you can (AFAIK) only restart the page numbering to 1 at the beginning of a new file, so you'll have to divide the book into files at the same outline level at which you want to page number.
Hope this makes it all clear and specific; if this still doesn't work for you, you'll need a better guru than me to take this further.
-Bill
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Bill,
Thank you so much for the details. I will try all of this and see if I can get it to work.
I do appreciate your time!
Dennis
Thank you so much for the details. I will try all of this and see if I can get it to work.
I do appreciate your time!
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Dennis,
I would use two tags, one for the "Chapter" module and one for the alpha modules.
Keep the CT tag as you mave it, with C:<$chapnum>\t numbering in place as you have it for the main Chapter Module (9, 10, ...).
Then create a new Module Tag to track the alpha number modules. Copy the CT tag, change the name, and add an Alpha counter to make the numbering string C:<$chapnum><A+>\t
In the book file, on the Numbering tab for all chapters, have the paragraph numbering property set to Restart.
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I would use two tags, one for the "Chapter" module and one for the alpha modules.
Keep the CT tag as you mave it, with C:<$chapnum>\t numbering in place as you have it for the main Chapter Module (9, 10, ...).
Then create a new Module Tag to track the alpha number modules. Copy the CT tag, change the name, and add an Alpha counter to make the numbering string C:<$chapnum><A+>\t
In the book file, on the Numbering tab for all chapters, have the paragraph numbering property set to Restart.
Cheers,
Art
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Art,
Thanks for your input. I've also tried this solutions and can't get the alpha sequence to go from A, B, C, and so on.
As with most things with Frame, it is probably something very simple.
I set up the following Paragraph Tags:
On the Main Chapter, I built a Paragraph Tag called CT Chaptertitle with the following in the Numbering tab: C:<$chapnum>\t
On the Sub Chapters (2 of these), I built a Paragraph Tag called Alpha with the following in the Numbering tab: C:<$chapnum><A+>\t
I put the following in a book file:
Main_Chapter.fm (Number Properties, Paragraph tab=Restart Para. #)
Sub_Chapter_first.fm (Number Properties, Paragraph tab=Restart Para. #)
Sub_Chpater_second.fm (Number Properties, Paragraph tab=Restart Para. #)
When I generate/update, the:
Main Chapter number is 1
Sub_Chapter_first.fm number is 1A
Sub_Chapter_second.fm number is 1A (should be 1B)
Again, thanks for your help. If you can see what I've not completed properly, please let me know.
Dennis
Thanks for your input. I've also tried this solutions and can't get the alpha sequence to go from A, B, C, and so on.
As with most things with Frame, it is probably something very simple.
I set up the following Paragraph Tags:
On the Main Chapter, I built a Paragraph Tag called CT Chaptertitle with the following in the Numbering tab: C:<$chapnum>\t
On the Sub Chapters (2 of these), I built a Paragraph Tag called Alpha with the following in the Numbering tab: C:<$chapnum><A+>\t
I put the following in a book file:
Main_Chapter.fm (Number Properties, Paragraph tab=Restart Para. #)
Sub_Chapter_first.fm (Number Properties, Paragraph tab=Restart Para. #)
Sub_Chpater_second.fm (Number Properties, Paragraph tab=Restart Para. #)
When I generate/update, the:
Main Chapter number is 1
Sub_Chapter_first.fm number is 1A
Sub_Chapter_second.fm number is 1A (should be 1B)
Again, thanks for your help. If you can see what I've not completed properly, please let me know.
Dennis
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t sounds as if you're working with the chapter numbering. You're not mentioning anything about setting the Numbering properties in the book file. Which is mandatory. Chapter numbering is always trumped by the book's properties.
Assuming that you have several files in each chapter... you should select all files in all sub_chapters (everything except your Mains), right click, select Numbering, and set the Chapter numbering property to "use same number as previous." Set the Paragraph numbering property to Increment.
Save.
Then, select all Main Chapters, right click, Numbering, and set the Chapter property to Increment. Set the para property to Restart at 1.
Save and Update.
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t sounds as if you're working with the chapter numbering. You're not mentioning anything about setting the Numbering properties in the book file. Which is mandatory. Chapter numbering is always trumped by the book's properties.
Assuming that you have several files in each chapter... you should select all files in all sub_chapters (everything except your Mains), right click, select Numbering, and set the Chapter numbering property to "use same number as previous." Set the Paragraph numbering property to Increment.
Save.
Then, select all Main Chapters, right click, Numbering, and set the Chapter property to Increment. Set the para property to Restart at 1.
Save and Update.
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I thionk there is a discrepancy in what you want to obtain INSIDE the FM documents and the PTag numbering system and your page-number wishes.
Can you please clarify it for me.
The PTag settings do work the way I described. Even if you substitute the <n+> with <chapnum>.
Once clarified I will gladly build you a FM/BOOK and mail it to you
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I thionk there is a discrepancy in what you want to obtain INSIDE the FM documents and the PTag numbering system and your page-number wishes.
Can you please clarify it for me.
The PTag settings do work the way I described. Even if you substitute the <n+> with <chapnum>.
Once clarified I will gladly build you a FM/BOOK and mail it to you
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Art,
Thank you, I got it to work with your settings for the "Numbering" tabs.
Thomas bro,
I'm really working to get all of this automated so when I build the book level TOC, everything updates. This means, I need the modules titles to read:
1 Kitchen
1A Countertops
1B Cupboards
In addition, the page numbers should also reflect 1 or 1A or 1B. This means my module level contents for 1A Countertops might read:
How to measure ............ 1A-3
Color options ............. 1A-5
Product option ............ 1A-8
I know that I will have to cross-reference this information to make them update automatically.
Also, the Book Level TOC would read:
1A Countertops
How to measure ............ 1A-3
Color options ............. 1A-5
Product option ............ 1A-8
I'm using Frame 8, if that makes a difference.
I'll gladly send you my module template so you can see what I'm working with, if that helps.
Dennis
Thank you, I got it to work with your settings for the "Numbering" tabs.
Thomas bro,
I'm really working to get all of this automated so when I build the book level TOC, everything updates. This means, I need the modules titles to read:
1 Kitchen
1A Countertops
1B Cupboards
In addition, the page numbers should also reflect 1 or 1A or 1B. This means my module level contents for 1A Countertops might read:
How to measure ............ 1A-3
Color options ............. 1A-5
Product option ............ 1A-8
I know that I will have to cross-reference this information to make them update automatically.
Also, the Book Level TOC would read:
1A Countertops
How to measure ............ 1A-3
Color options ............. 1A-5
Product option ............ 1A-8
I'm using Frame 8, if that makes a difference.
I'll gladly send you my module template so you can see what I'm working with, if that helps.
Dennis
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Please do send me your template
thomas@lokomatik.dk
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Please do send me your template
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Dennis,
If the modules are numbering correctly, you've already done the work required to get the TOC and Index numbering done.
All you'll do is insert the names of the tags in the TOC (and Index) files, using the Set Up TOC menu off the book file. The page numbering is also easy -- you just build up the CurrentPageNumber variable that goes in the master page header or footer with building blocks/references like: <$chapnum><$paranum[module]>-<pagenum> to generate 1A-3 and so on.
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If the modules are numbering correctly, you've already done the work required to get the TOC and Index numbering done.
All you'll do is insert the names of the tags in the TOC (and Index) files, using the Set Up TOC menu off the book file. The page numbering is also easy -- you just build up the CurrentPageNumber variable that goes in the master page header or footer with building blocks/references like: <$chapnum><$paranum[module]>-<pagenum> to generate 1A-3 and so on.
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Thanks to everyone for all the ideas and recommendations. For the most part, I tried the ideas and eventually got my numbering/alpha combination to work, with some extra help from Thomas. Thanks!
Framemaker is an incredible publishing tool with many, many combinations for manipulating a template set. There are a lot of "bells and whistles" and they all must interact together. Sometimes, it's a challenge to remember all the features.
Thanks for all the help! It works!!!
Dennis
Framemaker is an incredible publishing tool with many, many combinations for manipulating a template set. There are a lot of "bells and whistles" and they all must interact together. Sometimes, it's a challenge to remember all the features.
Thanks for all the help! It works!!!
Dennis
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