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Simple Mask Allows Part of the Bottom Image to Show Through

Explorer ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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This is a simple image that consists of 2 rectangles, one red and one white. I applied an Ellipse mask to the 2 rectangles and it's allowing some of the red rectangle at the bottom to show on the right side. You can see the thin line around the right side.

 

If the mask is masking both rectangles and the white rectangle is on top, why is any of the red rectangle from the bottom showing through and is there anything I can do about it?

 

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Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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I see what you mean.

Looks like an anti-aliasing rendering problem.

Pathfinder Merge or Export as an image with Art Optimized seems to get rid of it.

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Explorer ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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But the white image is on top, the red image shouldn't even be part of the equation.

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Advocate ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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The red rectangle is there to make the logo red… I believe. And the white rectangle is there to make it look like it is cutout. But it is not hence, I suggested another way! Feel free to connect once you digest it all.

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Explorer ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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I posted a reply below, but I think your suggestion works great if the image was that simple, but it's not. The mask needs to mask many layers. The red rectangle is just one of them.

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Advocate ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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The image shown was created was two rectangles of two different colors (red and white), with a elliptical clipping path to create the final object. 

Screen Shot 2019-10-11 at 5.20.20 PM.pngexpand image

 

If you are creating a logo, then you probably do not need a clipping mask. Use the Pathfinder panel instead. You can use just the ellipse and one rectangle to accomplish the same goal. If you keep the rectangle on top then select both the ellipse and rectangle, you can use the Minus Front button from the Pathfinder panel which in this case would create a new simple path. If you wanted more freedom, hold the option/alt key when you choose the button. This will create a clipping mask which let's you change the object more easily after the fact since the two original shapes are there in the object.

Screen Shot 2019-10-11 at 5.31.02 PM.pngexpand image

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Explorer ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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First Katie, your help is amazing. I still need to digest it to figure out if it solves my problem, but your effort alone is pretty amazing.

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Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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I don't think this is going to solve my problem only because the simple version that I uploaded is only to make it easy to describe. When I first ran into the problem, it was with a file that has many layers that need to be masked by the ellipse. I'll still experiment more with your suggestion.

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Advocate ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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Ok. How about if you do not want the red object on the bottom. Make the Clipping mask red. In this example I used the Draw Inside options. The Clipping mask can have properties like a fill and a stroke. The stroke always sits on top of all other properties and the fill is behind all other shapes. 

 

Screen Shot 2019-10-11 at 6.14.49 PM.pngexpand image

Draw Inside Option:

This makes a clipping mask group (not a clipping mask layer)

1. Select the ellipse. (Mine has a color fill and a color stroke)

2. Select the Draw Inside button in the tool panel

3. Deselect the selection.

4. Change the properties of the next shape to be drawn and draw the shape. The new shape will clip to the Draw inside shape. 

 

Changing properties of a Clipping Mask after it is created:

If you use the Make/Release Clipping mask option Screen Shot 2019-10-11 at 6.15.43 PM.pngexpand image  in the layers panel or use Object>Clipping Mask> Make, you will make a clipping mask but without properties. You can always choose the clipping mask and add properties back in after.

1. Select just the Clipping mask: Target or select it with the Group Selection tool.

2. Change the properties. (Fill and Stroke)

The fill can be covered up by other fills and strokes inside the clipping path but the stroke on the clipping path is above all other properties.

 

Does this sound like more what you are trying to do?

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Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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I'll experiment with it, but it sure feels like a band-aid and I'm afraid of covering up things that I want displayed.

For instance, if I set that mask to a circle, that means I want everything in that circle displayed. If I have to add a stroke to cover the line that should have been masked already, I'm afraid it will cover parts that shouldn't be covered.

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Community Expert ,
Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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Did you try Pathfinder Merge?

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Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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No, but I don't want to merge paths. I have 10 layers that I want to be contained by a circle. I thought that's exactly what a clipping mask was for.

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Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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Does anyone know if the clipping mask is working the way it should in my original example?

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Advocate ,
Oct 12, 2019 Oct 12, 2019

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The red is clipping like the white shape. If you do not want the red to clip put it in another layer or group (depending on how you built the clipping mask)

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Oct 12, 2019 Oct 12, 2019

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Yes, That is what a clipping mask is for.

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Oct 11, 2019 Oct 11, 2019

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If you want to keep everything editable, you could try an Opacity mask.

Group everything below your circle.

Select the group and the white circle and click Make Mask in the Transparency panel.

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I think an opacity mask is the same thing as a clipping mask except that you can control the opacity (hence the name). I don't need to control the opacity in this case.

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Oct 12, 2019 Oct 12, 2019

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Opacity masks control the visibility by using opacity. In some cases they are easier to handle than clipping masks. the image you show doesn't include the actual complexity of your artwork. And since it looks like you can't get clipping masks to work then why don't you at least try opacity masks?

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Adding unnecessarily complex artwork isn't the best way to troubleshoot a problem like this. I didn't try opacity masks because opacity wasn't the issue and I knew that. The real problem has since been identified and fixed. In a nutshell, the Illustrator preferences had to be rebuilt.

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Oct 12, 2019 Oct 12, 2019

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Interesting, I cannot fix your original by resetting the preferences...

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If it works, it works. If you don't need to control the opacity, don't change the opacity.

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Explorer ,
Oct 12, 2019 Oct 12, 2019

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ANSWER: What I thought was the answer, rebuiding Illustrator preferences, was not.

 

Doing more research again.

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Oct 12, 2019 Oct 12, 2019

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All this started when I couldn't get the ellipse to mask my new logo that I was creating. I'm now using that new logo as my icon for the Adobe support forums. 😀

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Oct 16, 2019 Oct 16, 2019

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Advocate ,
Oct 12, 2019 Oct 12, 2019

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Start again. Build the peices and then use the top object (ellipse) to create the clipping mask. Everything in that layer will clip to the mask. If you do not want it part of the masked items, put it into another layer. The process is rather simple. The red object is there since you put it there. I assumed you did not want the red object but the logo is clearly red so red has to be there hence I put it on the mask. Sometimes starting over and rebuilding clean is the best way to fix the problem. (I have done the same many times in my life)

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