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Content-Aware Remove is using Smart Previews as its Source until I Disable Smart Previews

Participant ,
Jun 22, 2023 Jun 22, 2023

I just went through and edited about 500 images with Smart Previews enabled, and all of the uses of Content-Aware Remove have sampled from the low resolution Smart Preview. Many of the problem areas are in combination with other masks, but even if I remove the mask and re-apply it, or refresh all masks, it does not fix the low-res Content-Aware Remove spot. I have confirmed that the anomaly still occurs, even if no other masks are applied.

 

The only solution I can find is to disable "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing," then individually select each Content-Aware Remove spot, and hit the "Refresh" button. I can find no way of selecting all healing spots and refreshing them in bulk. I can also find no way of making this tool work correctly while "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing" is enabled. I don't remember having this issue before LR Classic version 12.4.

 

Upon further testing, if I zoom in on the image while refreshing Content-Aware Remove, it WILL work correctly, even with "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing" enabled. If I zoom back out, it still samples from the Smart Preview.

 

This catalog is new, created in LR 12.4, with images processed from import as "Version 6 (Current)."

 

Running on a Mac M1 Max, and Ventura 13.3.1.

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LEGEND ,
Jun 22, 2023 Jun 22, 2023

"individually select each Content-Aware Remove spot, and hit the "Refresh" button."

 

Note that each time you click Refresh, the Content-Aware Remove tool will pick another source to clone over the spot -- so you could end up with results much different than your original editing.

 

"...all of the uses of Content-Aware Remove have sampled from the low resolution Smart Preview. ... I can also find no way of making this tool work correctly while "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing" is enabled."

 

Can you give details how you'd like Content-Aware Remove to behave when you've enabled Use Smart Previews Instead Of Originals For Image Editing? To me, that option is self-explanatory: When enabled, LR Develop will use an available smart preview instead of the original.

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Participant ,
Jun 22, 2023 Jun 22, 2023

To be clear, I'm not using only Smart Previews  to edit. The setting "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing," only speeds the process of moving through a bunch of images quickly. LR is supposed to use the original high resolution files for exporting, but the new version isn't. It's using the smart preview for the tool, rather than accessing the data from the original raw file. 

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LEGEND ,
Jun 22, 2023 Jun 22, 2023

Perhaps you could post full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) showing what you mean, along with the precise LR steps used.

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Participant ,
Jun 23, 2023 Jun 23, 2023

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 With "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing" turned on.

 

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 With "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing" turned off. 

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LEGEND ,
Jun 23, 2023 Jun 23, 2023

Are these screenshots from Develop or from exported photos?  What are the precise steps for producing those results?

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Participant ,
Jun 23, 2023 Jun 23, 2023

Those are screenshots from the Develop Module, but the problems still exits on export. First image is using the Content-Aware Remove tool with "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing" turned on. Second image is using the Content-Aware Remove tool with "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing" turned off. Those are the precise steps.

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LEGEND ,
Jun 23, 2023 Jun 23, 2023
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I did a deep dive on how Content-Aware Remove works, and when I enable the option Use Smart Previews Instead Of Originals For Image Editing, I observe that LR exports use the full-resolution image for Content-Aware Remove rather than the smart preview.

 

I think what you observed may be a curious property of Content-Aware Remove: Each time you apply it to the exact same spot, it uses a different replacement, resulting from randomness in its algorithm. 

 

I tested this on LR 12.4 / Mac OS 13.4.

 

Exported Content-Aware Remove Uses the Full Resolution Raw

 

For my tests, I used this high-resolution 11648 x 8736 raw from a Fuji GX100S:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjbw8t56z9xyra7/DSCF0056.2023.06.23.RAF?dl=0 

 

Using such a high-resolution image will accentuate any differences with smart previews, which are 2560 pixels wide.

 

To ensure I was clicking in the same exact spot with the Healing tool each time, I used Mac Automator to record a script with my mouse clicks.

 

First, here's a closeup of where I'm clicking with the Content-Aware Remove tool, on a copy of the photo with no smart preview:

johnrellis_0-1687561646741.png

 

I'm applying the tool to the lower-right duck:

johnrellis_1-1687561882908.png

 

Here's what Develop looks like when I apply Content-Aware Remove to the exact same spot on a copy of the photo with a smart preview:

johnrellis_3-1687562206768.png

 

Note that Develop is showing the low-resolution smart preview. 

 

But when I export the photo without the smart preview and the one with, the exported versions are both using the full-resolution raw to compute the Content-Aware Remove:

johnrellis_4-1687562317871.jpeg

 

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They're not identical because of the randomness in the algorithm, but they're both clearly using the full-resolution raw for the export.

 

For comparison, I applied Content-Aware Remove to the same spot on a 2560-wide TIFF created from the original raw and exported that:

johnrellis_6-1687562527095.jpeg

 

If export were using smart previews for Content-Aware Remove, we'd expect that it would look that (but it doesn't).

 

This demonstrates that, in my test, export is using the original raw for the Content-Aware Remove tool, not the smart preview.

 

The Randomness in Content-Aware Remove

 

Each time you apply Content-Aware Remove to the same exact spot in a photo, there's a different result. Using the same raw from above, with no smart previews, here are four consecutive applications of the tool to the same spot in the lower-right corner:

johnrellis_7-1687564476354.jpeg

 

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Each replacement is a little different.  Each time you invoke the Refresh command, you also get a different result.

 

This randomness makes it harder to compare the results of using smart previews with not using them, since you'll get different results each time you apply the tool.

 

Photo Merge > Panorama also uses randomness when choosing the boundary between two adjacent photos. And each time you merge the same photos, it uses a somewhat different boundary.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Participant ,
Jun 23, 2023 Jun 23, 2023

Here's an example of an exported image with the anomaly. Note low-res circle top left, where sensor dust was removed. 

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Jun 23, 2023 Jun 23, 2023
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To be clear, I'm not using only Smart Previews  to edit. The setting "Use Smart Previews instead of Originals for image editing," only speeds the process of moving through a bunch of images quickly. LR is supposed to use the original high resolution files for exporting, but the new version isn't. It's using the smart preview for the tool, rather than accessing the data from the original raw file. 


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Have you tried deleting the smart preview and then using the tool again to verify that this is indeed caused by sampling the smart preview? The content aware remove tool often gives disappointing and blurred results, but I am not sure if that only occurs if smart previews are present or if the tool is just not as good as we would like it to be.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
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LEGEND ,
Jun 22, 2023 Jun 22, 2023

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"I can find no way of selecting all healing spots and refreshing them in bulk."

 

There is no way, unfortunately.  The best you could do is to use the Any Filter plugin to find all photos containing a Content-Aware Remove healing:

johnrellis_0-1687485041561.png

 

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