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Different colors (saturated reds) between Develop & Library modules

Participant ,
Feb 21, 2023 Feb 21, 2023

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Hello all,

 

On my new machine (mac mini m2 pro with ventura 13.2) I have color inconsistencies between Library & Develop modules. I use Lightroom 12.2

This happens only on pictures with very saturated reds.

The reds are much more saturated in the Develop modules than in the Library modules.

If I proof to Adobe RGB the colors in the Develop module then matches the one in the Library modules.

 

My monitor is wide gamut and calibrated with an i1 sensor and DisplayCAL.

 

Some notes:

- I checked with GPU on/off -> no change

- I checked with some other monitor profiles like -> some have consistent colors between modules (Adobe RGB, sRGB), some not (Display P3 / Wide Gamut RGB / The generic Dell u2713h / all the profiles made by DisplayCal).

 

Playing the secondary window and virtual copies I managed to get the 2 color rendering at the same time (see attachment).

 

I can share the example picture (original DNG) with very saturated red (concert lighting) for which the difference is particularly visible - I tried to attach it here but it was refused.


On my old computer (windows 10 PC) the colors are similar between modules (and close to the colors I get on Library module).

 

I've used Ligthroom for years but I'm pretty new on MacOS so I have no clue what can cause the problem.

It's not a real blocker because most pictures don't have over-saturated reds and most of the time the processing will tone down the saturation - but this probably shows that there is something wrong somewhere and I'd want to have this fixed if possible...

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Community Expert , Feb 21, 2023 Feb 21, 2023

I believe what you see in Library module is cached previews saved for AdobeRGB colour gamut.

 

In the case of Develop, the full capabilities of your display and its colour management should get used - the internal LrC working space in which the image is being processed, having a very wide gamut itself.

 

So if saturated hues are present which go beyond the ability of AdobeRGB to express - and if your monitor can display such hues - a difference is to be expected between the modules in that respe

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I believe what you see in Library module is cached previews saved for AdobeRGB colour gamut.

 

In the case of Develop, the full capabilities of your display and its colour management should get used - the internal LrC working space in which the image is being processed, having a very wide gamut itself.

 

So if saturated hues are present which go beyond the ability of AdobeRGB to express - and if your monitor can display such hues - a difference is to be expected between the modules in that respect. There are also slight differences in the appearance of sharpening, and of noise / detail pixel scaling 

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Feb 21, 2023 Feb 21, 2023

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Thanks for your answer.

This make sense -> when I compare my monitor profile with Adobe RGB there is some additional space in the reds (I'm not sure it's perfectly true but that's what the color profile says -> I'll try a calibration with another software to be sure).

 

On my old computer I used the same monitor (Dell u2713h) but with hardware calibration, but thanks to Dell there is not way to do a hardware calibration on a mac so I use software calibration.

So this may explain that I've never experienced this before.

 

Anyway, having color outside Adobe RGB is going to be problematic at some point (for printing or web export) so I'll continue handling it this way:

- softproof to Adobe RGB

- if any visible difference, change the settings

- once the difference is minor, I consider it as OK.

 

As said above, this happens only in very specific conditions, most pictures show no visible difference in rendering.

I thought this was a bug - I'm pleased to see that it's not.

 

Thanks again 🙂

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Community Beginner ,
May 15, 2024 May 15, 2024

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I have a similar problem of a photo appearing with a different color in the library and develop modules.

In my case it is the other way round whereas the image in the library module as well as the small previewon the top left show same color with a slight red cast compared to the image in the develop module.

I also just change equipment, having bought a Dell XPS and ultrasharp U2723EQ monitor. and I am not quite sure what happens. I dis a calibration of the monitor and the problems remains with the new monitor profile.

I am a bit confused with the settings related. Thanks for any help 

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May 15, 2024 May 15, 2024

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I just wanted to add that I use raw files (Nikon NEF) and in lightroom preferences I have  raw  default global preset  set to adobe default

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May 15, 2024 May 15, 2024

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quoteI dis a calibration of the monitor and the problems remains with the new monitor profile.

By @geneluck

 

How and with what?

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Community Beginner ,
May 15, 2024 May 15, 2024

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I1 display pro  and Calibrite profiler . I had to a license from Calibrite as Xrite does not support the I1 anumore.

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May 15, 2024 May 15, 2024

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Yes, the x-rite products have been rebranded. The sensor is the same product, just a new name now.

 

Can you show screenshots of Library and Develop?  Make sure both are set to 100% view and showing the same portion of the image. Include the interface so we know which is which.

 

When the two modules don't agree, it's either a bad monitor profile or a GPU bug. Those are two sides to the same coin now, because the actual conversion into the monitor profile is executed in the GPU. Although they both end up in the same monitor profile, the source color spaces are different, so the conversion is different (Adobe RGB in one; linear ProPhoto in the other).

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May 17, 2024 May 17, 2024

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Thank you D Fosse.

Strange thing: the difference in color disappeared  and I can't say why ! 

Anyway I am happy to be able to keep  working on my photos now without having the problem.

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