[Locked] - There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering . Are you happy about this ?

[bitm07]

"Lightroom 6 is the last stand-alone version of Lightroom that can be purchased outside of a Creative Cloud membership. There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering. Lightroom 6 will remain for sale for an undetermined amount of time, but will no longer be updated with camera support or bug fixes after the end of 2017. Lightroom 6.13 with support for the Nikon D850 will be released on October 26th, 2017"

Adobe’s new version of Lightroom lets you resume editing anywhere - The Verge

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[bitm07]

I've got no problem with the subscription only price model as long as the price doesn't increase dramatically (currently £9.97 a month in the UK from Adobe), although better pricing is available if you shop around. Amazon currently has the Adobe Creative Cloud Photography plan with 20GB: Photoshop CC + Lightroom CC (1 Year Licence) for £69.99 (£5.83 a month) on their UK website.

Adobe Creative Cloud Photography plan with 20GB: Photoshop CC + Lightroom CC | 1 Year Licence | Onli...

[jeffreyb39246177]

Not happy at all.  Will start looking for an alternative.

[David_Illig]

Not happy at all.  Will start looking for an alternative.

For the benefit of all, I hope that you come back and tell us what you have chosen.

[tomazj]

I would be interested in this as well. My plan is to stick to standalone LR6 as long as it covers my needs, then I will switch. At the moment ACDSee Ultimate looks the most promising alternative, but I haven't done any serious testing yet.

[gelarsen]

I guess it's almost time to start using exclusively Photoshop Elements. The latest version is Photoshop Elements 2018. Not as good as lightroom, but at least it's a standalone and there is no subscription. I have used ACDSee in the past. It wan't so bad. I think I too will re-visit the software.

[howmanypigginnamesdoitry]

I've decided for the time being to go with Affinity photo for processing. For DAM purposes, anyone got nay suggestions?
Starting the process of moving away from Lightroom altogether, I won't be held ransom by a greedy company that can't even fix 7 year old bugs.

[Abambo]

howmanypigginnamesdoitry  wrote

I won't be held ransom by a greedy company that can't even fix 7 year old bugs.

I suppose that with Lr there is noone "held ransom": https://www.lightroomqueen.com/end-of-perpetual-lightroom-licenses

You are free to feel unhappy with Adobe's decision and to be honest, I thought that the perpetual license would continue for Lr. Adobe took a decision and from the Adobe point of view, I understand that. From the user's point of view, I would stick with Lr 6 until my current camera would not be supported, which would be the case when buying a camera after the 6.14 release. There is, however, no hurry to change, as even then, DNG would provide a good work around.

The problems for the user is manageable for the foreseeable future.

[garethb545554]

Very disappointing news, but not surprising. I've used Lightroom since v4 as a hobby user but CC has never represented good value for me. If I was to work out the cost of CC per hour for a given month, quite often that would be an error (9.99 / 0).

I subscribe monthly to other services, but only those that I use sufficiently to justify the expense.

I'm happy to pay for software (I'm a software engineer by trade), but rent software I only use occasionally? No chance.

I would have paid the upgrade cost to LR7, even though this (and the last update) seems minor (features wise). I guess Adobe has long since realised that many programs have matured and major new features are hard to find. Subscription helps them with this problem!

I'll keep using LR6 for as long as I can (I'm still using PhotoShop CS6). If/when it stops working, I'll consider my options. CC won't be one of them.

[Abambo]

The subscription does include Photoshop. For that it is a bargain. If you do not use Photoshop (or like your case) are happy with Ps CS6 then you need to look if the subscription is worth. My point is: some people own the latest (and most expensive) gear, the best Phone money can buy but they rage over the about 14€/month for using the software.

There are alternatives to Lr, there is no need to stay with Adobe, if you are unhappy. Some companies even make a point from the fact that you pay the software instead of renting.

At first, I was sceptical for the subscription model, but currently and from the point of my company, it is easier to shelf out some 60€ /month for the package than discussing the upgrade price for 6 seats. And adding a seat is very easy... And all software is included...

It's not black and not white, it's in colours.

You are free to use Lr6 until your computers stop supporting it. And today it's still good value.

As for me, I feel that all arguments have been used. I for my part have none to add.

[David Illig]

I've used Lightroom since v4 as a hobby user but CC has never represented good value for me...

I'll keep using LR6 for as long as I can (I'm still using PhotoShop CS6)...

That's how PS and Lr catch you and reel you in—by being eminently suited for both professional and amateur use. You are aware, are you not, that the Photography Plan with the latest Photoshop, two versions of Lightroom, and Adobe Camera Raw, costs $9.99 or less each month? Always the latest version. Every Photoshop wannabe app has inconveniences and limitations that Photoshop does not have. The Photography Plan is a bargain and a no-brainer for anyone who is serious about photography and who likes the ease and elegance that integration brings.

[Abambo]

My sermon! But people who do not use Ps are not interested in this, and only for using Lr, the subscription is not cheap compared to competitors offers. It's a fact.

But: you can't beat the combining force of Ps ​and​ Lr!!!!

[howmanypigginnamesdoitry]

People keep saying "it's a no brainer" and "it's excellent value for money"
Yes it probably is if your business depends on it. Saying that if my business depended on a company that refused pint blank to fix bugs and simply ceased products as and when they saw fit I'd not want to support it at all but that's a different story...
Truth is I'm an amateur, but I've used Photoshop since version 4 and Lightroom since it first began. I was fully into the Adobe workflow but in some ways they have done me a favour by their greed and laziness.

Has anyone noticed how slow Lightroom is lately? I have a brand new top specced computer and monitor and it can take a little while to load in.
I also have a handful of photos taken on a camera with a damaged sensor. On one of them I used the spot heal tool 96 times, and it got so slow working on that photo that I had to give in in the end. However, Affinity did not slow at all when I did the same thing on the same file. Affinity takes 1 second to load too, and also there is no limit to how many keywords you can have unlike Lightroom which has gone for many years now without the keyword bug being fixed.

So one of the issues is the CC rental model might work for businesses in terms of cost and ease, but the poor support, bugs, and poor efficiency of the program now mean that looking for an alternative has become a fun thing to do.
I think I've pretty much sorted both the photo management software that will replace Blightroom and also the two editors that between them have far more features than Lightroom and are much more responsive on my computer.

Adobe had it all and they ruined it by corporate greed and as many high end and low end amateurs drift away and use software that turns out to be cheaper and better, some professionals will also take a second look at what they're doing. I wonder if in some years we'll all look back and see this moment as the start of Adobe's crashing downfall and eventual demise?

[adamn43201247]

I am very unhappy. I prefer the stand alone version of LR. and I don't need Lightroom CC. it costs $120 per year. That is way less than the stand alone upgrade price. Which I'm sure is the reason for the switch. Also, LR isn't updated every year and so I don't have to spend that much yearly on a new program. This way gives me no option to not upgrade eventually. Unless I am able to find a suitable replacement program.

[Abambo]

adamn43201247  wrote

I prefer the stand alone version of LR. and I don't need Lightroom CC.

"Stand-alone" version: Lr Classic CC, Lr CC is the brand new cloud based Lr. See here: Lightroom CC vs. Lightroom Classic CC | Adobe . For now, your Lr 6 is still current. If you do not change to a newer camera, you can continue using that. If you change, you could use the free Adobe DNG Converter as a work around. See here: Digital Negative (DNG), Adobe DNG Converter | Adobe Photoshop CC . The Lr Classic CC subscription includes Photoshop. That alone is a bargain. That was the reason for me to take a Photographer's plan subscription.

[Ghost007]

No Im going to switch to capture one 11 and look into taking Adobe to court for breach of contract because when I got this Adobe clay claimed there would aways be an option to upgrade to later additions at discount for an off line version and light, and it would always be supported.

they took my money I expect to use what I own.

[JP Hess]

Good luck. Software companies come and go, and go out of business all the time. Software programs come to an end all the time. Lightroom 6 has come to an end. Adobe has provided a means whereby you can continue to get updates if you choose to follow the path they are NOW offering. If you don't choose to follow that path then you choose to end your association with Adobe. If you would rather spend your money trying to file a lawsuit, I guess that's your choice. It might be cheaper for you to subscribe to the photography plan.

[David Illig]

Indeed. It's called getting on with one's life and not cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. I imagine one could buy a lot of years of the photography plan @ <$10 or less per month for less than the attorney's fees for an iffy lawsuit. But there are those who prefer to play the injured victim. I wonder if the OP plans to get C1 via direct purchase or subscription. What guarantee is there that C1 will not end direct sales!?

[Abambo]

The Photography Plan is a bargain if you consider the included Photoshop and 20GB of cloud space. If Photoshop is not of interest for you, it's getting expensive.

Someone wanting to sue a company for changing their product line is nonsense. Users do not have a contract with Adobe beyond that what users have: a perpetual License of Lr6, allowing them to use Lr6 until the end of times.

[dj_paige]

Ghost007  wrote

and look into taking Adobe to court for breach of contract because when I got this Adobe clay claimed there would aways be an option to upgrade to later additions at discount for an off line version and light, and it would always be supported.

I'm not aware of Adobe every making such claims about upgrade options and discounts, and if you're going to take them to court, I hope you have documentation.

Adobe did say, when Lightroom CC 2015 was introduced concurrent with the release of Lightroom 5.4, that the perpetual license product would be made available for the foreseeable future. Five years go by, and now there's no more perpetual license ... do you really think you can win a lawsuit based upon your interpretation of the words "foreseeable future" is different than Adobe's interpretation? And lastly, I don't think any company is restricted from changing their product line in ways that you don't like ... there's no such law.

[Ghost007]

Adobe unveiled its cloud-centric Lightroom CC yesterday and announced that desktop Lightroom has been rebranded as Lightroom Classic CC. The company also stated that Lightroom 6 would be the final standalone version of Lightroom that doesn’t require a subscription… backtracking on what the company said just a few years ago.

Photo Rumors points out that Adobe had once reassured photographers that standalone Lightroom wasn’t going anywhere. In a blog post published on May 6, 2013, Adobe said there wouldn’t be a new app called “Lightroom CC” and that “traditional perpetual licenses” would be offered “indefinitely.”

Read on  .....   https://petapixel.com/2017/10/19/adobe-said-offer-standalone-lightroom-indefinitely/

So yea I expect my lightroom 6 to be updated indefinitely they may be a big company but doing cheap stunts like that is what will break them,

[dj_paige]

Oh wait, I thought you had a legally binding contract with Adobe that said these things. None of this is a legally binding contract between you and Adobe. Good luck convincing a court.

[David_Illig]

Looks like you just learned the meaning of “indefinitely.“ It’s not a synonym for ”forever.”

[Abambo]

Business goes on and the cloud is a great success. I do not the numbers, but me too, I was reluctant to the subscription model. I had, however, bought the Photography Plan instead of upgrading to Lr6 because of the included Photoshop. I think that was the turning point, when Adobe offered the bundle. Photoshop alone was worth subscribing. I need to point out that I am a long time professional user of Adobe products and I had access to Illustrator and Photoshop since probably the very beginning. I even worked with one of the first Pagemaker versions. I’ve made the calculations and for my professional use, the CC subscription is a big flexibility addition.

I was also persuaded that Adobe would continue Lr on a perpetual basis because I was persuated that the Lr market was different from the CC market. Adobe gas decided differently.

In 2013 they said what was true then. Indefinitely is different from infinitely. That’s it. There are other companies around promoting their products that they are available on a perpetual basis. If your current Lr  is no more usable for you, you may change for such a product. And may be you will become even happier you were with Lr.

[jwestveer]

I have used every version of lightroom.  I will not however "rent" any version of lightroom, so Adobe I guess this is goodbye, best of luck, I hope rentals keep you from going out of business, but I will no longer be with you.

[zBernie]

I discontinued using Photoshop and Premiere Elements years ago.  I moved to Affinity Photo and Pinnacle Studio Ultimate, which is near-professional quality.  I am so glad I switched!  Lightroom 6 was the last Adobe product I currently use, and now that I know there will not be a version 7, will find another photo manager.  Between subscription based software, and licensing issues, GOOD RIDDANCE ADOBE!