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Masks in LrC need constant updating

Community Beginner ,
Aug 01, 2024 Aug 01, 2024

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Is anyone else having Ai mask issues in LrC? Generative ai - for example, I remove, come back to photo and says "Some Remove settings need to be updated". Update All button, but, I come back and still need to update again. I've searched the web, but very little, but recent which makes me think it's a new problem.
Ai Masks are the same.
I'm all up to date on Mac and LrC updates.
Read/write on Cat locations.
It's stopping me from delivering weddings SkyPhotography_0-1722527530423.pngexpand image

 

Is anyone else getting super frustrated out there?
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Community Expert ,
Oct 18, 2024 Oct 18, 2024

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I did a lot of testing on this issue, and I have found two things:

1: The red dots signal the need for an update, but if you do update a photo then you'll see that there almost always is no visual change. So for now, just ignore these dots.

2: If you already have updated many photos, then uncheck the 'Optimize catalog' checkbox when you make a catalog backup. Optimizing the catalog will make the dots return.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 18, 2024 Oct 18, 2024

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Good advice! Additionally I found:

1. when using generative remove, if you see ghosting where the removal looks semi-transparent, updating your masks fixes that.  
2. For the issue above, where the AI masks never errs to update, I found that creating a new catalog, then importing your old catalog into it solves that issue! This seems to implement the 14.0.1 fix better than a catalog update. 

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Community Expert ,
Oct 19, 2024 Oct 19, 2024

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Good advice! Additionally I found:

1. when using generative remove, if you see ghosting where the removal looks semi-transparent, updating your masks fixes that.  


By SCR76


That is nothing new and has no bearing on this bug. It also happens with the normal remove tools and has been present since the introduction of AI masks. The explanation is simple. Let's take removing a kite from the sky as an example. When Lightroom created the sky mask, it left a gap in that mask where the kite was, because the kite is not part of the sky. If you remove the kite, that gap remains and so so you will see no sky adjustments in that place. If your sky mask darkens the sky, you will see a faint white ghost in the shape of the gap. The solution is to update the mask. For this reason Adobe suggest to remove things first if possible, and create AI masks later.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 19, 2024 Oct 19, 2024

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Well Johan, I disagree a bit with you, as I felt it may be helpful to the discussion in this thread, especially if you read the original post.  The second comment I made, directly relates to the bug. 
Regarding the need to manually update AI masks after modifying another AI mask such as remove, that should be automatic. Otherwise the process is not very artificially intelligent is it? As it's implemented here, there are entirely too many interactions required for a process that should be fairly hands off. 
But anyway, thanks for providing a new summary of the issue being discussed. 

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 19, 2024 Oct 19, 2024

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Apologies, in advance. I didn't mean for that to sound snarky. 🙂

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Community Expert ,
Oct 19, 2024 Oct 19, 2024

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You can argue that the AI mask update should be automatic after you use any of the remove tools, and I tend to agree with that, but it sure has nothing to do with the bug that is discussed in this thread. Like I said, this has been like that from the moment the first AI masking was introduced in Lightroom. And no, the original post is not referring to that. It talks about "Some Remove settings need to be updated", so that is definitely something else. That refers to the new AI remove, not AI masks.

 

Anyway, as this is off topic I am not going to further discuss this with you. 

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 19, 2024 Oct 19, 2024

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" I am not going to further discuss this with you."

Thanks! No need to shut down a discussion like that Johan, especially when you don't have a solution. 
Anyway, it seems that creating a brand new catalog in the latest LrC version, then importing everything from your original catalog fixes the red dots and the "Some Remove settings need to be updated" bug the OP is asking about. I found this thread looking for a solution to the same thing and it worked for me, and I really hope it works for someone else, too!

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New Here ,
Nov 12, 2024 Nov 12, 2024

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not working for me....

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New Here ,
Nov 10, 2024 Nov 10, 2024

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I created a new catalog and it is empty. how do you do this and get all the original edits?

 

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Community Expert ,
Nov 10, 2024 Nov 10, 2024

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Start a new thread with your issue.

 

Add information about why you created a new catalogue, and have you imported images into it? If it was really necessary to create a new catalogue, have you not used File > Import from Another Catalog to add images and bring in the edits? But start your own thread.

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New Here ,
Nov 12, 2024 Nov 12, 2024

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Im having the same issue and tried what was said to be the solution and it didnt work. 

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 12, 2024 Nov 12, 2024

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Go to file -> import from another catalog. Then select your old catalog. That will import everything into the new one. 

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New Here ,
Nov 13, 2024 Nov 13, 2024

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I was able to import it to the new catalog, but the ai masks all still need updated and it doent stick once they are.

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 21, 2024 Oct 21, 2024

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I was having this issue and getting super frustrated, but selecting all the images in the catalog, going to file and selecting optimize catalog fixed it!

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 21, 2024 Oct 21, 2024

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I thought this fixed it but it didnt, i ended uo having to close the old catalog and start over 

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 21, 2024 Oct 21, 2024

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Ugh! I feel your pain, that didnt work for me either. Try putting your current catalog in a safe place, create an all new catalog, then import your old one into the new one using  menu item FILE -> "Import From Another Catalog". All your masks and edits will still be there, but you'll just have to re generate previews. If it works, nothing else to do. If not, you still have your old catalog safely tucked away, and you can just put it back. Hope you can get it working again!

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 07, 2024 Nov 07, 2024

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Every single time I open LRC to work on my clients wedding photos!!!!!  It is EXHAUSTING!!  I find this  inexcusable on ADOBE's part.  We pay $60/m for this?????  Get the bugs out or i'll be canceling and owning my own software editor from another company!

When does it happen?  every instance of opening LRC from a closed state.

What do i experience? all masks, Remove, heal, clone,blur, Denoise, crop edits that I make from the previous session are needing to be updated.... not just a one button update, but I have to click on every mask created find the subject/object/preset used and update it.  Also if I update the masks first, then go to the Blur and update that, next I have to RE-update the masks, crop, remove/heal/clone, etc... all over again!  

What needs to be fixed?  If I need to update, it needs to analyse and know the sequence of priority for a one button push update on all!   I really should not have to do the update if it would just save to the catalouge properly.  I have LRC set to ask me to save the cat file every time prior to exit.  

 

This bug is a big time waster and is costing me time and money!  Fix it Adobe! or I'm gone!

 

Lightroom Classic version: 14.0.1 [ 202410161356-30922cfc ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 11 - Home Premium Edition
Version: 11.0.22631
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 20
Processor speed: 2.1GHz
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
CPU Utilisation: 3.0%
Power Source: Plugged In
Built-in memory: 65251.0 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 14529.3MB / 12115.0MB (119%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 65251.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 18163.0 MB (27.8%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 34862.4 MB
GDI objects count: 1167
USER objects count: 4702
Process handles count: 4958
Memory cache size: 779.4MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 17.0 [ 2043 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 4765MB / 32625MB (14%)
Camera Raw real memory: -133994MB / 65251MB (-205%)

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 28, 2024 Nov 28, 2024

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This is still an issue. Ridiculous that one of the top photo editing apps is doing this for months. Can't wait for another company to take Adobe's place. Maybe it's time to switch to Capture One...

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Dec 17, 2024 Dec 17, 2024

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Just commenting to say I've been dealing with the same thing the last couple months and my workflow has slowed down to 25% of the speed when I was working on Capture One. Lightroom is so susceptible to file corruption and rendering for masks is painfully slow. This is not sustainable for business. I can't believe Adobe makes as much money as it does yet their software is so far behind. 

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Community Expert ,
Dec 17, 2024 Dec 17, 2024

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This issue should be solved with the Lightroom Classic 14.1 update. You will have to update one more time, but then this should 'stick'. If you are referring to other issues, then please do that in a separate thread.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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