P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[Immaculens]

To be honest I'm surprised this is called the remove tool. My overwhelming experience is that it should be called the 'Replace with inferior options' tool... It rarely removes subjects properly, especially near the edge of images. Both Ps & Lrc should simply know by now, given how long content aware has been in use - that objects at edged of images should be completely removed and blended - not replaced with something similar, not removing just 70% of it except for stubborn leftovers. Just one example of the 3 options Lrc gave me below.
What is the trick?

[John R Ellis]

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You've cropped the photo. Remove looks at all the pixels in a photo, included those that are cropped out, and it's generating replacements that match those unselected cropped-out pixels. 

Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow).  So undo the crop, do Remove, then crop again. 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Immaculens]

Uncropping first worked - thank-you ~

[X1Jogi]

Dauert im Vergleich zu Stempeln zu lange z.b. um Sensorflecken (Pollen, Staub, ...) wegzustempeln. Für größere Retuschen noch nicht probiert.

[John R Ellis]

@X1Jogi: "Takes too long compared to stamping, e.g. to stamp away sensor spots (pollen, dust, ...). "

Adobe recommends you use the other Remove modes (Content-Aware, Heal, Clone) for correcting small spots.

[claude_4719]

Franchement, l'outil IA générative est nul.

[WalterD Madrid]

Lamentablemente la generación de imágenes en Lightroom classic no es efectiva.

Intento sacar un simple poste que cruza el cielo o eliminar una gorra que asoma con el fondo de suelo, digamos que fácil de eliminar, y me ofrece modelos de palo, o de gorra, pero no los elimina.

Pasando a editar en PS Beta, la eliminación es perfecta.

[John R Ellis]

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@WalterD Madrid: "I try to remove a simple pole that crosses the sky or eliminate a cap that sticks out with the ground background, let's say easy to eliminate, and it offers me pole or cap models, but it doesn't eliminate them."

Using your attached JPEG exported from the raw, I was able to quickly remove the powerline, the pole, and the cap in the corner:

Things to check:

1. I deselected Detect Objects. It doesn't work very well, especially with skinny objects and objects touching the edges, failing to select all of the object and often making the border around the object (which is necessary) way too big.

2. The metadata for the two JPEGs indicates that you cropped the original raws. Remove looks at all the pixels in a photo, included those that are cropped out, and it's generating replacements that match those unselected cropped-out pixels.

Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow). So undo the crop, do Remove, then crop again.

If that doesn't help, you could be tripping over an obscure bug ("as-designed" according to Adobe) in which for some cameras, like your a6400, the raw files have a hidden border of pixels that automatically get cropped out. It's easy to handle that too:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-bo...

You don't encounter this issue in Photoshop because a) It's Object Finder doesn't find the pole, wire, or cap, so you have to select them manually, and b) Photoshop's destructive editing model doesn't have the notion of cropped-out pixels -- they're simply not there.

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article.

[Rhonda22756048lpmw]

The new removal feature is driving me nuts. Rather than removing a person who should not be there, it's putting in a new and random person. The whole purpose is to remove the object not put in some other strange thing.

[John R Ellis]

@Rhonda22756048lpmw: "Rather than removing a person who should not be there, it's putting in a new and random person."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[cdquint]

AI generative remove doesn't seem to work well when there are multiple items to be removed.  I had a wall with 3 signs (2 handicap signs (blue/white) and another white with black lettering on it.  It removed the white sign perfectly but not the other two. It replaced the sign with bizarre imaging--not even close!

[John R Ellis]

@cdquint: "AI generative remove doesn't seem to work well when there are multiple items to be removed."

In general, Remove doesn't have such problems. What's going on in your case is hard to say without seeing the unmodified photo. 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[ziggee123]

Often if I want to remove a distracting elment, say a bench or something. If I use the AI remove tool, it wont remove it and blend the background.  Instead it will replace the bench with some other weird or whacky bench intead.  I have also had to when I wanted to remove a destracting child from the background.  Intead of cleaning it up, it replaces the child with a random AI generated child.  

[sherwood77]

I agree. Waiting for Adobe to correct this.

David Kenny

[John R Ellis]

@ziggee123: "Instead it will replace the bench with some other weird or whacky bench intead.  I have also had to when I wanted to remove a destracting child from the background.  Intead of cleaning it up, it replaces the child with a random AI generated child."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[ziggee123]

Thank you. I well try that. I’ll do some testing
Sent from my Vic 20

[Carlos De Carvalho]

apos a nova atualização..piorou muito. 

[lex_9408]

Rikk, something changed this week. I updated the AI removal option, but now any removal with or without object removal selection replaces the subject (wife and dog) with a unwanted substitute (repetiveley) Last week removal worked perfect without object selection. I tried to attached the original nikon .dng (Z8) file but that format is somehow not supported. I have therefore convert and attached a jpeg 

Thanks for your support

Best regards Lex 

[willy_9983]

I am having the same problem. I wanted to remove an unwanted part of a person but AI keeps on replacing other unwanted parts instead of removing it. Last week everything worked just fine.

[willy_9983]

Sorry, dat staat er onduidelijk. Ik bedoel dat AI er telkens iets anders voor in de plaats zet in plaats van het te verwijderen.

[John R Ellis]

@willy_9983: "I wanted to remove an unwanted part of a person but AI keeps on replacing other unwanted parts instead of removing it."

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With everyone who has posted a problem photo, including many who thought something had changed recently, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects. But perhaps something has indeed changed, so seeing an example photo is crucial.

[willy_9983]

Het gaat om het restant van een persoon rechts onderdaan in het beeld. Dat krijg ik niet weg.

[John R Ellis]

@willy_9983: "It's about the remainder of a person on the bottom right of the image. I can't get rid of that."

With your attached .jpg, Remove immediately removed the remainder of the person from the bottom-right corner:

The image's metadata indicates that you cropped the image along all four sides. So when you applied Remove to the bottom-right corner, Remove was trying to match the unselected, cropped-out pixels.  Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow).

See this article for more details on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

[willy_9983]

Bedankt voor je reactie, nu begrijp ik waarom het telkens niet lukte. Het is wat onhandig op deze manier want nu moet ik vooraf inschatten wat ik moet verwijderen. Ik ga het uitproberen. Nogmaals bedankt. Vriendelijke groet, Willy

[John R Ellis]

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@lex_9408: "any removal with or without object removal selection replaces the subject (wife and dog) with a unwanted substitute (repetiveley)"

Be sure to select the shadow cast the by the woman and dog. If you don't select it, then Remove will try very hard to replace them with an object that also casts that shadow:

But when you add the shadow to the selection, it easily removes the woman and dog:

It's too bad that Detect Objects hasn't been trained to include shadows and reflections -- that would help users avoid this common problem.