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Sonia A
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October 16, 2023
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Preserving edits and history without storing original files locally

  • October 16, 2023
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Hi there,

 

I'm relatively new to RAW photography and Lightroom Classic editing, so bear with me. 

 

Up to this point I've been storing my original RAW files on my computer, importing them to LC, editing from there and then exporting as JPEGs for use. However, I recently needed to temporarily free up space on my computer, so I thought I would move these original RAW files to a hard drive and move them back once I was done. I realised I may need to manually locate certain files in the catalog again, but did it anyway. However, during this process something crashed (can't remember whether it was my computer, LC or something else) and the current catalog disappeared, meaning I lost all my edits. Sadly, I didn't have a backup of this catalog, so there is not much hope for restoring these.

 

Going forward I want to do things more efficiently, as I know I won't have space on my computer to endlessly store all these RAW files. I'm self-taught so I don't know how professional photographers normally do this, but I assume I'm not the only one who wants to be able to maintain the ability to edit a photo and 'edit the edits' later on without having to store the files locally. I tried to look into a few options for how to preserve editability and edit history as if the files were stored locally, but could not come to a clear understanding of my best option, mainly because of my limited understanding of some of the terminology. Some of the things I read about were exporting as DNG files, building smart previews and exporting as catalogs...

 

Can someone give me a simple explanation of what would be the best approach and what the aforementioned options entail?

 

Thank you in advance!

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    DS256
    Inspiring
    October 16, 2023

    Personally, I do the opposite. I treat my JPGs as disposable since I need to create them with different dimensions and/or watermarks. I also print from LrC.  Also, by keeping the RAW, I can revisit them and try something different that didn't occur to me in editing the first time. Sometimes this is applying a new control not available the first time. 

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    Sonia AAuthor
    Participating Frequently
    October 16, 2023

    Thanks! I can totally see the benefit of your approach too, but at the moment I like to be able to revisit edits since I don't always finish them in one sitting. I also haven't fully figured out my editing style yet, meaning I'm still learning from the process and sometimes benefit from going back to old edits to copy settings or convert to a preset or so.

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    DS256
    Inspiring
    October 16, 2023

    "I like to be able to revisit edits since I don't always finish them in one sitting"


    If you export to JPG and delete the RAW, you will loose all your edits since they will simply be backed into the JPG. This is even if you import your exported JPG.

    dj_paige
    dj_paige
    Legend
    October 16, 2023

    Edit history is stored in the catalog itself, and nowhere else. Thus, exporting photos to JPG or DNG or any other format will not preserve edit history, it will only preserve the final edited positions of the sliders.

     

    This is just one of many many many reasons why regular and automated backups of the catalog file are mandatory (not optional) and these backup catalogs MUST (again, not optional) be on a different physical disk than the working catalog.

     

    To save yourself some disk space, do not put photos on the internal drive of your computer. When new photos are taken, import them into LrC directly to the external drive (not to the internal drive) and leave them there.

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      Sonia AAuthor
      Participating Frequently
      October 16, 2023

      Thank you!

       

      So if I understand correctly, you're saying that catalog back-ups are the only way to maintain access to edit history and such. Does saving and reopening as a DNG allow me to reset the edits to the original state of the image or is that also lost along with the ability to access the history?

       

      I'm not sure what you mean by mandatory, because when I close LrC I get a pop-up asking whether I want to save a back-up or skip this time. It also doesn't force me to save it on a different drive. Since I wasn't entirely aware of all the implications before, I only did one back-up a long time ago (hence having lost all my previous edits). And what is the difference between saving a back-up or exporting as a catalog?

       

      And you suggest to work with imported images directly on an external drive, but does that mean I have to have the external drive connected whenever I want to edit a photo or access the edits? Is this were smart previews are used?

       

      Thank you again for answering my (probably very basic) questions! As I said, I'm still learning, so very grateful! 

      dj_paige
      dj_paige
      Legend
      October 16, 2023

      Does saving and reopening as a DNG allow me to reset the edits to the original state of the image or is that also lost along with the ability to access the history?

       

      Yes, exporting (not "saving") as a DNG allows future edits to be made, including resetting the image to its un-edited state. However, not exporting a photo as DNG and just leaving it in LrC also allows this. Typically, you would not export an image unless you need it for some reason outside of Lightroom Classic (print, e-mail, web); you would not export images with the idea that this allows you to retain edits in case you want to do additional editing or in case you want to reset the image back to un-edited in the future.

       

      I'm not sure what you mean by mandatory, because when I close LrC I get a pop-up asking whether I want to save a back-up or skip this time. It also doesn't force me to save it on a different drive. Since I wasn't entirely aware of all the implications before, I only did one back-up a long time ago (hence having lost all my previous edits). And what is the difference between saving a back-up or exporting as a catalog?

       

      Just because the software doesn't force you to do things, it is still a very good idea (in my opinion MANDATORY) to do those things. Regular and automated backups are (in my opinion) MANDATORY. Putting the catalog backups on a different disk than the working catalog is also (in my opinion) MANDATORY. Not doing these things puts you at risk of losing your entire catalog if your hard disk malfunctions. 

       

      And you suggest to work with imported images directly on an external drive, but does that mean I have to have the external drive connected whenever I want to edit a photo or access the edits? Is this were smart previews are used?

       

      This is really up to you. If you have space problems, using a 2nd (usually external) drive to store the photos is a very good option. Of course, if you are travelling light, just a laptop and no external drive, then you have no choice but to put photos on the internal drive, and move them off of that drive onto the 2nd drive afterwards. Smart previews are also a solution in this case where you don't want to (or can't) plug in an external drive where the photos are stored; but they do take up disk space.

       

      There is no "saving" a backup. You make a backup. Exporting as a catalog is similar, but making a backup has additional features to protect the integrity of your catalog, and compression to keep the catalog running faster. So making backups is good, exporting as catalogs not as good.

       

       

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