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Hello everyone,
I have a problem with print sizes.
I would like to printa 20x30cm format on a A4 sheet but i aways end up with a width of 20,5cm.
I have an Epson P900, i must be missing something...
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Before you print you have to crop the image so that it is A4 aspect ratio, which is 297x210 (or 210x297). You cannot print 20x30 on an A4 sheet because it doesn't fit — unless you expand or shrink the image in one direction (and you'd have to use Photoshop to do that and you wouldn't like the way it looks) or you deliberately set up the print so that there is a certain amount of white space on the printed image or the printer crops the image.
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In addition to what dj_paige said (the image aspect ratio must match A4 for even margins)…
Which A4 paper size is selected in the macOS Page Setup dialog box?
The size you pick determines:
If we know what the selected paper size is, that might provide a clue for what’s happening.
(My screen shot is for an older Epson photo inkjet that’s similar to the P900)
Also, in the Format For menu, make sure that the P900 is selected. If it’s set to Any Printer, you’ll get a generic list of paper sizes that might not match the capabilities of the P900.
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First of all, a big thank you for your feedback, it’s very kind!
I'm a professional photographer and I also sell frames, that's why I need to crop my photos.
Here are screenshots of my settings (sorry it's in French...).
And despite my request to print in 20X27cm, I always have 20.5cm more or less.
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And despite my request to print in 20X27cm, I always have 20.5cm more or less.
That's 21.0x29.7
If you don't crop this photo to exactly the aspect ratio 210x297 (or 21.0x29.7) before you print on A4 paper, you can get strange things like 20.5cm. Are you cropping to this aspect ratio? (I can't see your screen captures, I can't see anyone's screen captures, you need to include screen captures by clicking on the "Insert Photos" icon)
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I just tried again, I cropped my image to 20x29.7 but it still comes out at 20.5x29.7
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I just tried again, I cropped my image to 20x29.7 ...
By @etienned48537726
These are not the right numbers to use when cropping. They don't match the numbers I stated twice.
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My apologies but I want to make a 20x29.7 and not 21x29.7
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If you want to print it 20x29.7 on an A4 sheet of paper, something has to change ... the aspect ratio of your desired print is 20x29.7 but the aspect ratio of the A4 paper is 21x29.7. The printer could add white space, or expand or shrink the image to fit on the page, or the printer could crop the image to fit.
In your screen captures above, how do you know the output is 20.5 cm in one direction?
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Exactly the printer expand the image.
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Yes, you see what happened is that the printer put a small white border (probably about 0.25cm) on the both the top and bottom, and enlarges the image so that it fits within those white borders, and fits within the page in the other direction. It's all math.
If you want exactly 20cm in one direction, you could change the margins in LrC so that there is a 0.5 cm margin at the top and a 0.5 cm margin at the bottom, but I think then this affects the other direction as well, there will be more white space in the other direction.
Perhaps people who have more experience with printing at unusual sizes could provide more choices in this situation.
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[edit: on reflection, the below is not I think the OP's issue - but I'll leave in place just for general info.]
It is not always necessary to change the main crop of the image (in Develop) to match exact image Print dimensions - though it would be, to match exact Export dimensions. You can achieve the former entirely inside the Print module..
In Print, each goes inside a containing cell. Dimensions of this cell are controllable directly. If this cell is any smaller than the physical page, then white margins must be left for that reason.
These dimensions define a printed aspect ratio: which may or may not match the current Develop crop of this image. The way the image sits inside this Print cell is controlled by two checkboxes:
The orange option sets (in English) Zoom to Fit (when unchecked) / Zoom to Fill (when checked).
FIT means: scale the image so that nothing is lost - which means further white margins must show to the extent that there is a difference between the shape of the cropped image and the shape of the containing cell.
FILL (checked) - means: scale the image as needed such that no white margins show inside the cell (though white margins may still show outside the cell). And, dynamically trim off - just for the output, not affecting the image itself - whatever picture edges are needed to achieve this. The image can be moved around to achieve the composition you want, if you don't want a centred automatic trim.
This dynamic cropping is no different in its effect, than if you had changed the main crop in the exact same way - just, it is much more convenient not to have to do this.
Furthermore, the same image can this way be printed to a variety of shapes, even on the same page and at the same time. As shown in the above screenshots: these only differed from each other, in their "Fill" checkbox setting.
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It seems you have selected a 'borderless' A4 page size to print onto. Typically, printer drivers add some extra enlargement (about 5%) onto each Borderless print job after receiving it from the application. This matches what the OP is experiencing.
The LrC application does not anticipate that this further enlargement will happen, so does not preview or allow for it.
Some print drivers offer an alternative Borderless (true-to-size) option - but failing that, all Borderless (with scaling) printing is deliberately inaccurate for size.
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Thank you very much for helping me, I appreciate it!
I just made 3 prints with a 20x29.7 box.
The first without margin
The second with side margins of 0.5 cm
The third with margins of 0.5 and the zoom to fit option
The 3 prints always come out the same in 20.5X29.7 :-/
I wonder if it's not a problem with the settings of my ESPON P900 printer...?
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The 3 prints always come out the same in 20.5X29.7 :-/ I wonder if it's not a problem with the settings of my ESPON P900 printer...?
By @etienned48537726
Following up with richardplondon’s idea…
…in an earlier post you showed that in macOS Page Setup, the paper size selected for the P900 is A4 Sans Bordure (A4 borderless). richardplondon said that would enlarge the print slightly, and I agree; maybe that is why they are 20.5cm instead of 20?. Were these last prints also at the paper size A4 Sans Bordure, or just A4?
Because I think we would expect A4 to print at the exact size of the print cell, but minus the minimum margins of the P900. The user manual for the P900 says its minimum margins are 3mm.
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Conrad_C's post higher up illustrated this very nicely. In that case "retain size" / "expand" borderless alternatives are presented, besides the standard of printing with margins, in the paper selection.
With another printer / computer type: you might select (say) A4 just as the physical page, and then use a separate option to control whether the standard printable extent should apply, or whether one or another kind of borderless printing should happen.
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