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problem with copyright date being overwritten when folder is synchronized

Explorer ,
Aug 21, 2024 Aug 21, 2024

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I use Lightroom as a catalog. All of my photos have a copyright date set as an import preset for the current year - in this case 2024.

 

If I export a file to a new name (for example to edit in Evoto) but in the same client folder, it doesn't automatically show up in my LR catalog - of course! I have checked the exported file to see that the copyright date is still 2024.

 

Next, I synchronize my folder to bring the exported file with the new name into the catalog. When I do that, the copyright date (in the Preset field at the top of the metadata box) is reset to 2018 instead of the original copyright date.

 

This sure feels like a user error somehow, but I don't know where to start looking. I have checked my LR preferences and catalog settings.

 

I initially thought it was Evoto doing it - NO. Then I thought PS was doing it - NO. Now I realize it is happening when I synchronize the folder.

 

Any ideas what it going on and how to fix it?

 

Thanks

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LEGEND ,
Aug 21, 2024 Aug 21, 2024

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it doesn't automatically show up in my LR catalog - of course!

First up, before looking at the end issue. An obvious question comes up. Why upon Export, your image is not being added to the catalog.

 

Please post in a reply a screenshot of your Export Dialog

 

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Aug 21, 2024 Aug 21, 2024

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Right - good point. I can solve that part of the problem.

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LEGEND ,
Aug 21, 2024 Aug 21, 2024

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Next, I synchronize my folder

If you bring up that Synchronize dialog, you probably see something like this:

 

7.png

 

If so, then that bottom option I circled in my screenshot may have something to do with your Copyright, a bit of Metadata getting fouled up.

 

Wondering if you have some Metadata conflicts,, or issues, or problems.

 

If you look at the thumbnails in the frid view (Library) or the Filmstrip. Do you see something like:

8.png

That from:

 

 

or like this:

9.png

 

That from:

 

 

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Aug 21, 2024 Aug 21, 2024

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I did get that dialog and Scan for Metadata updates was checked. However, I don't have any icon on the thumbnail view and my metadata status show "not changed." I just tried it again with the "Add to the catalog" checked on the preset. It was added to the catalog.

 

The original phot  show this in the preset field:

 

missyruns54_0-1724277555516.png

 

The exported photo shows this:

 

missyruns54_1-1724277628761.png

 

Now that it is in the catalog, it seems like it doesn't matter what the preset field days. When I export the final image and look at the data (cmd-i), I see the correct copyright data:

 

missyruns54_2-1724277765938.png

It seems like somehow, synchronizing the folder was causing 2018 to be written to the preset field, when was then used on the export of the final image. Up until now, I felt like I had a good understanding of how LR works, but now... not so much.

 

 

 

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LEGEND ,
Aug 21, 2024 Aug 21, 2024

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Those first two scrennshots so a part of the metadata

. And they show a preset applied in the first, not the second.

 

But, what shows when you scroll down to the section that actually shows the copyright?

 

Not sure what Metadata set you are viewing, but in my example below I selected EXIF and IPTC.

This from a 2023 vacation Photo Shoot

10.png

 

Did you mean to show that this information was incorrect/missing?

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Aug 22, 2024 Aug 22, 2024

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I see this before exporting:

 

missyruns54_1-1724340718916.png

 

And the copyright date is still 2024 after exporting into this same folder.

 

If I take the image to PS, edit it, and SAVE AS a different name, it shows up in my LR catalog and it still has the correct copyright date.

 

HOWEVER, If I take the image to PS, edit it, and SAVE A COPY, it does not show up in my LR catalog. So, I need to synchronize my folder to get it into the catalog and then it shows up with a 2018 copyright date:

 

missyruns54_2-1724341070773.png

 

I'm still open to the idea of a user error, but it sure looks like a bug to me. And why is it choosing a copyright date of 2018? I have no idea. It's not when I created this catalog. I don't see any place where I've set a default copyright preset or date.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Aug 22, 2024 Aug 22, 2024

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Is there a 2018 Preset by any chance? I've a feeling that somehow there is and the synchronize is using it. 

Try turning on the 'Show Import Dialog Before Importing' option to check if that's where the issue is. It'll be in the Apply During Import panel. 

Sean McCormack. Author of 'Essential Development 3'. Magazine Writer. Former Official Fuji X-Photographer.

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Aug 22, 2024 Aug 22, 2024

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I DO have a 2018 preset, which is why I wondered if there was a default preset setting somewhere.

 

I don't see a "Show Import Dialog Before Importing" option. I have a "Show Import Dialog When Memory Card is Detected", which is not turned on. There is a preferences screen for Lightroom Sync that has an option "Specify Location for Lightroom's Synced Images" but that's not it. I just don't see anything that is relevant in the preferences or in the catalog settings.

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LEGEND ,
Aug 22, 2024 Aug 22, 2024

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Just a hunch, try again, but instead of selecting Save As, select Save.

I thought that selecting Save As, was a no no, that it would not bring the image into the catalog. But my new test shows I am wrong. Thing is I was very sure of this. Perhaps something changed, perhaps either in LrC or PS their is a preferences or other setting that alters that. You might just want to disprove that via a simple test.

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/Edit/ Reply crossed out as it proved incorrect

"If I take the image to PS, edit it, and SAVE A COPY"

That is probably your issue. Save As, instead of Save, or Close.

First up, the reason the PS edits may not show up in the catalog is because you selected Save As. That is as designed behavior. Or used to be (perhaps depending upon preferences) Select Save, or Close instead, and then it will show up in your catalog.

Second up, and I do not have proof of this just yet (perhaps an experiment can indicate if true) selecting Save As might not honor mettadata that was edited in LrC, unless that metadata got saved to the original image file before editing in PS.

 

/Followup/

 

I just ran a test, in my test catalog I selected one photo, Added one bit of metadata, in this case in the Title field, Sent it over to PS, cranked up the exposure. Selected Save As. darn if it did show up in my catalog. And the title was correct

 

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Aug 22, 2024 Aug 22, 2024

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I don't want to use SAVE. I want to use SAVE AS so I can change the filename.

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Community Expert ,
Aug 22, 2024 Aug 22, 2024

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Please note that Photoshop also has a 'Save a copy' menu, which is not the same as the 'Save as' menu! As the name of this menu suggests, 'Save as copy' saves a copy of the image, meaning that the image that is open in Photoshop is considered as still not saved. Almost certainly that will also mean that 'Save a copy' will produce an image that is not added to the catalog. https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/saving-images.html

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Not sure if you looked at the following. In a differentmembersDiscussion, I was teasing something out. To cut to the chase, an import went poor. Turns out I had left a preset in the import dialog, a preset to apply. And if that is the case, when you sync folder to bring in one image, it apply's that preset.

 

Now if I remember correctly you are using the sync folder to bring in that photo from your PS edit. And some metadata is getting fouled up, specificallyCopyright.

 

Click on Import, over in the right side panels,  look at any preset being applied at import, perhaps a metadata/copyright one??

 

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