Resetting an Image via Reset Button does not restore original image

[dan_6972]

In some cases, when I reset an image, it appears that the original is not retrieved. The before and after versions remain differently. I cannot think of any reason, why this should happen. Please help me! Admittedly, I am a relative rookie, so please be gentle if the solution to my problem is an easy one. 

Thanks so much.

Dan

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[dan_6972]

...btw my version of LrC is the latest one (14.0.1)

[F. McLion]

In the develop module, what does the history panel show?

What do you feel is the difference to the original?

What is the source of the image and the file format?

[dan_6972]

The history panel shows a couple of adjustments, which in the final step I reset (zurücksetzen) the reset button. The problem appears with and without a preset applied in the adjustment process (see attached screenshots). In any case, the before version seems to have a cooler temperature, so I could imagine it has something to do with the white balance. The source of the images is my internal ssd, the format is Nikons raw format nef. 

[JohanElzenga]

That is a common misunderstanding. If you press the Reset button, then the image will be reset to the Camera Defaults you have chosen in Preferences - Presets. It will not necessarily be reset to how it appeared when it was imported. For example when you import with 'Embedded & Sidecar' previews it will look different.

[dan_6972]

Thank Johan for your answer. I am not sure if I get it. What is the point then of the before and after if the before does not show me the image I started from respectively if I cannot get back to where I started? So, what exactly do I need to change in the preference and preset settings to get rid of the problem, is it the "adobe default" that needs to be changed to "camera settings", as indicated in the attached screenshot?

[JohanElzenga]

Yes, you can change that to camera settings if you want. That will mimic what you set in the camera, many people like that. Before/After is not set in stone to zero/last. You can also change the before. It's purpose is to quickly compare some adjustments, not necessarily all adjustments versus zero adjustments. Here's a tip. If you want to be able to reset the image to all zero (except for a profile, there is always a profile), then create a "zero all" preset.

[dan_6972]

Ok, I see,, I was under the impression that when I press reset and all the sliders go back to zero, the before would accordingly show me the image with zero adjustments. Yet this is not the case if I understand you correctly. That still leaves me wondering why. Even after reseting an image and then pressing "copy befor's settings to after" it will not result in the same image, they still remain different. I just cannot wrap my rookie brain around that.  

[JohanElzenga]

"Copy before's settings to after" should (obviously) result in the same image, just like the opposite should do. It does on my computer...

[dan_6972]

Not on mine, so I am lost.

[JohanElzenga]

You said "in some cases", so apparently Lightroom Classic behaves as it should in other cases? Can you post screenshots of an image that misbehaves? Embed them in your post using this button, do not attach them.

[dan_6972]

I found out that the before image that I cannot go back to by reseting is NOT the out of cam picture as displayed when I just open it with a picture viewer. However, the after image that is generated when I reset the adjusments of a picture IS the original one. That makes me wonder why LrC is generating a before image that didn't excist. I am sure it has something to do with the preview settings, which had been set to embedded . Still, this doesn't explain why in some cases the before shows the original image and in other it does not. I just tested it again by reimporting the same catalogue with embedded preview settings. What I noticed is that when I first open a photo from the below preview slider in the development module in the before and after view, the before image is a more saturated version of the original and suddenly changes to the original look within one or two seconds. In some cases it seems that LrC got stuck in this intial saturated version and kept showing it as the original before image, which in my view would be a bug. And if this more saturated version is a fantasy preview generated by LrC it would make sense to me that I cannot transfer it's setting to the actual orinal that is shown on the after side by clicking "copy befores settings to after".  

[JohanElzenga]

If you import with 'Embedded & Sidecar' preview, then what you will see is the preview that is generated by the camera, not a preview that is generated by Lightroom. I do not think you can go back to this once Lightroom has generated a preview of its own.

[dan_6972]

Yes, this is what I said, except for the fact that before I see the preview generated by the camera LrC shows an own preview for a glimpse of an eye, which then changes to the original preview as generated by the camera. However, in some cases the original is not generated but the LrC preview stays there instead.  I am grateful for your help but if you just keep telling me that things cannot be possible while I witness the opposite then we don't need to discuss further. There still might be a misunderstanding in my brain

You can even see it in the pictures. The upper and lower left images are a preview (imported with embedded and sidecar) generated by LrC. The upper right is the original version (the evidence lies on my hard drive) out of cam after reseting. The lower right version is an even different version generated after I copied the before settings to after. Anyway, I don't feel like we progress to any solution here, I appreciate you trying to help though. 

[JohanElzenga]

I believe you misunderstand what I said. The right images in your screenshots are what Lightroom shows as its develop preview. That must be a Lightroom-generated preview. Lightroom simply cannot show the camera embedded preview in the develop module, because the develop module uses its own, different previews. The left images could still be the camera-generated preview however, if you imported with 'Embedded & sidecar'.   I never tested that, but it's feasible. In the History I see 'Reset Settings' in the top image, and this is followed by 'Revert Settings' in the bottom image. This should make both images the same in the bottom screenshot. The only explanation I can find why this is not the case for you is that by clicking 'copy before to after', you effectively try to set the right image to the embedded camera preview. Which, like I explained,  is impossible in the develop module.

So that's. Believe me or don't believe me, it's the only explanation I have. And the only advise I have is not to use 'Embedded & Sidecar' during import, unless you fully understand what that means and know why you want to use it.

[dan_6972]

I might be misunderstanding things, you could be right, but I am trying hard to get a grasp of it. So, if LrC cannot show the camera preview in the develop module why is the after version when reset the exact same image as when I open the image through a simple image viewer from my hard drive? Is it not the camera preview that is on my hard drive?

I guess I'll just give up at this point and follow your advice to not use "embedded and sidecar" ever again until I understand what it does. Thanks again and my best wishes!