Slow applying metadata updates

[sgorstein]

I have seen posts about the windows version, but I am echoing that on the Mac (m1 max) that Lightroom Classic 13.3 has become incredibly, painfully, awfully, terribly slow. Its gotten to the point of being frustratingly unusable. This seems to affect every aspect of using it from applying metadata updates to moving through pictures. Other than downgrading back to the old version (if possible?) has anyone found any other solutions? 

[Lynn Noelle]

Here's that information for you johnrellis:

Lightroom Classic version: 13.3.1 [ 202405311538-6d7c0308 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Mac OS 14
Version: 14.5.0 [23F79]
Application architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 12
Processor speed: 2.6GHz
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
Power Source: Plugged In, 100%
Built-in memory: 16,384.0 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 3,323.6MB / 4,080.0MB (81%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 16,384.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 4,606.2 MB (28.1%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 50,845.3 MB
Memory cache size: 21.1MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 16.3.1 [ 1889 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 4972MB / 8191MB (60%)
Camera Raw real memory: 5246MB / 16384MB (32%)

Cache1:
Preview1- RAM:15.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77659.NEF
Preview2- RAM:15.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77658.NEF
Preview3- RAM:15.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77654.NEF
Final4- RAM:352.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77657.NEF
Preview5- RAM:12.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-TylersGraduation-10.jpg
Final6- RAM:352.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77655.NEF
Preview7- RAM:15.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77653.NEF
Preview8- RAM:15.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77652.NEF
Final9- RAM:3,399.0MB, VRAM:973.0MB, 5.18.24-GraduationDay-77656.NEF
NT- RAM:4,190.0MB, VRAM:973.0MB, Combined:5,163.0MB

Cache2:
m:21.1MB, n:1,144.7MB

U-main: 82.0MB

Standard Preview Size: 1440 pixels
Displays: 1) 1920x1080

Graphics Processor Info:
Metal: AMD Radeon Pro 5300M
Init State: GPU for Image Processing supported by default
User Preference: Auto

Application folder: /Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: /Users/lynnhimmelmann/Pictures/LightroomClassic/Lightroom Catalog-v13-3.lrcat
Settings Folder: /Users/lynnhimmelmann/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom

Installed Plugins:
1) AdobeStock
2) Aperture/iPhoto Importer Plug-in
3) Find Duplicates 2
4) Flickr
5) Nikon Tether Plugin
6) Topaz Photo AI

Config.lua flags:

[johnrellis]

@Lynn Noelle: "Metal: AMD Radeon Pro 5300M

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 3,323.6MB / 4,080.0MB (81%)"

Your computer and graphics processor are older but they do exceed the minimum system requirements.

There are many reports of problems on Intel Macs with the AMD 5000-series graphics processors. With Mac OS 14.4.1, Apple released a buggy graphics driver:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-gpu-develop-edit-view-amp-export-artifacts-a... 

In that thread, Adobe said a couple months ago they were working with Apple on the issue, but there's been no update.

Most of the reports are about "static" in images, though there have been a few about AI commands and masking. I think it's likely you're a victim of the same issue.

In that thread, many people report that restarting their computer fixes the issue at least for a while. Many also report that setting Preferences > Performance > Use Graphics Processor to Off fixes the issue permanently, though with larger displays editing in Develop could be sluggish. You have a smaller display (1920 x 1080) so it could well be fast enough.  

Other than that, Mac users with AMD 5000-series GPUs will just have to wait for Apple and AMD to get their act together.

[stefpix]

I rolled back to 13.2.
Definitely better performance. But you need a backup version of the
catalog, as if when you upgrade to 13.3 the catalog needs to be updated as
well.

It is annoying that a point release requires updating the catalog.
Adobe customer support has not been very helpful and forthcoming.
13.3 is a buggy release, I wonder if the poor performance is somehow linked
to AI features and the privacy concerns about Adobe using users’ photos for
AI training and vetting photos for illegal content.



Stefano
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[dj_paige]

It seems that 13.3 requires use of the GPU in more ways than 13.2 did, and older GPUs seem to struggle with 13.3. Your GPU, an AMD Radeon Pro 5300M, is nearly 5 years old and getting a newer and faster GPU will definitely help.

[Lynn Noelle]

Perhaps Adobe should update the base requirements your page that lists minimum requirements for running Lightroom. How powerful a processor and GPU should I upgrade to? 

[dj_paige]

I have an Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 that works fine.

[AcrobatEi]

Couldn't agree more. I run LrClassic on a 2021 MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and Sonoma 14.5.  It was SO SLOW, I had an Adobe Pro downgrade me back to Lightroom Classic 13.2 to have a functioning program.  I hear Adobe is working on an issue with the M1 chip machines....please Adobe, let's get this fixed. Thanks! 

[felipeboca]

I haven't been able to work effectively for weeks for this reason...
I have never seen such a bad and hindering situation with Lightroom since its first version....
Now contact remote support, they asked me to create a new catalog and the problem persisted...
Any slightest adjustment takes MINUTES, heavier functions then HOURS AND HOURS.
As if that weren't enough, they block the downgrade to previous versions (Catalog becomes incompatible)...

Please Adobe let me WORK.

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Versão do Lightroom Classic: 13.4 [ 202406181129-60d181b7 ]
Licenciar: Creative Cloud
Configuração de idioma: pt-BR
Sistema operacional: Mac OS 14
Versão: 14.5.0 [23F79]
Arquitetura do aplicativo: arm64
Contagem de processadores lógicos: 8
Velocidade do processador: NA
Versão do SqLite: 3.36.0
Fonte de alimentação: Conectado, 80%
Memória interna: 16.384,0 MB
Memória GPU dedicada usada pelo Lightroom: 363,4MB / 10.922,6MB (3%)
Memória real disponível para o Lightroom: 16.384,0 MB
Memória real usada pelo Lightroom: 4.761,3 MB (29,0%)
Memória virtual usada pelo Lightroom: 420.334,2 MB
Tamanho do cache de memória: 405,8MB
Versão interna no Camera Raw: 16.4 [ 1897 ]
Contagem máxima de encadeamentos usados pelo Camera Raw: 5
Otimização do Camera Raw SIMD: SSE2
Memória virtual do Camera Raw: 766MB / 8191MB (9%)
Memória real do Camera Raw: 1001MB / 16384MB (6%)

Cache1:
Final1- RAM:158,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA2000.DNG
Final2- RAM:158,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA2002.DNG
Final3- RAM:35,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, 6B0434CF-CE65-4762-9E0D-CB3841320142.dng
Preview4- RAM:22,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA2005.DNG
Preview5- RAM:22,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA1998.DNG
Preview6- RAM:22,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA1997.DNG
Preview7- RAM:22,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA1999.DNG
Preview8- RAM:22,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA2004.DNG
Preview9- RAM:22,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA1996.DNG
Final10- RAM:37,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, 811ADD96-7AC1-4F92-8EFD-3559AC5FC2EA.dng
Final11- RAM:158,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, BOCA2003.DNG
NT- RAM:678,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, Combined:678,0MB

Cache2:
m:405,8MB, n:679,7MB

U-main: 83,0MB

Tamanho de visualização padrão: 2048 pixels
Exibições: 1) 5120x2880

Informações sobre processador gráfico:
Metal: Apple M1 Pro
Estágio inicial: GPU para exportação suportada por padrão
Preferência do usuário: Desativado

Pasta do aplicativo: /Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic
Caminho da biblioteca: /Users/felipeboca_1/Pictures/Lightroom/Catálogo Principal/Catálogo Principal.lrcat
Pasta de configurações: /Users/felipeboca_1/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom

Plug-ins instalados:
1) AdobeStock
2) Flickr
3) HDR Efex Pro 2
4) Luminar 4
5) MIDI2LR
6) Parâmetros do plugin
7) Plug-in de vínculo da Nikon
8) Plug-in do importador do Aperture/iPhoto

Sinalizadores config.lua:

[Joooeforlong]

Upgraded to 13.3 when it was first released, performance was unusable on my M2 Max.  

I reverted back to 13.2, then yesterday "upgraded" to 13.4 thinking it had to have been fixed. Spent an entire day trying to wrestle it and optimize it. Idk what LR does when it upgrades a catalog (I shouldn't have to) but it is just as slow, perhaps even more so. I have downgraded to 13.2 again and performance has returned.

Do we just never get to update again? What's the plan Adobe?

[olgav56290124]

Do you any collection synced in the cloud? As I had no absolute use for what was synced I completely wiped all that was in the cloud and started at zero in regard to syncing. Now 13.4 is worrking at the same speed as 13.2 before it was absolutely imposible to work with it. Something is up with the syncing of metadata and the new way of syncing they introduced with 13.3. 

[stefpix]

Adobe's silence on their own forum on the issue is disappointing.
Unacceptable for people who use LRC for professional use and need to edit
100s of images and deliver.

LR cloud software is not a sufficient replacement.
It would be great if some Adobe reps and engineers would address the issue.
Do the newest updates require M4 Apple computers and the rest are obsolete?

I would rather have performance than AI masking, adaptive edits, which are
nice, but having a decent performance is more important and it should be
the priority.

stefano

http://stefanogiovannini.com

Instagram: stefpix2

[Sean Molin]

Glad I'm not alone. Lightroom 13 has been an unmitigatead disaster. The first completely broken version I've used since I started back with LR2. I have a TOP of the line Mac Studio Ultra M2 and I'm running Thunderbolt NVMe drives and this thing should be absolutely singing. But it hangs. Doing. Everything. All. the. freaking. Time. I'm waiting FIVE minutes on an export just to start right now. And that's after I waited 3 minutes for the export options dialog to pop up after clicking "export." It is almost 4am. I would have been done THREE HOURS AGO if this wasn't such a freaking mess. I've been dealing with this for months now, but I'm at my absolute wit's end.

Here's my stupid system info:

Lightroom Classic version: 13.4 [ 202406181129-60d181b7 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en-US
Operating system: Mac OS 14
Version: 14.6.0 [23G80]
Application architecture: arm64
Logical processor count: 24
Processor speed: NA
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
Built-in memory: 131,072.0 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 435.1MB / 98,304.0MB (0%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 131,072.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 12,125.4 MB (9.2%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 428,902.1 MB
Memory cache size: 743.7MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 16.4 [ 1897 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 385MB / 65535MB (0%)
Camera Raw real memory: 386MB / 131072MB (0%)

Cache1: 
Final1- RAM:377.0MB, VRAM:6.0MB, IEDC240807_EIA_Awards-001.nef
NT- RAM:377.0MB, VRAM:6.0MB, Combined:383.0MB

Cache2: 
m:743.7MB, n:352.1MB

U-main: 394.0MB

Standard Preview Size: 1440 pixels
Displays: 1) 5120x2880, 2) 5120x2880

Graphics Processor Info: 
Metal: Apple M2 Ultra
Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
User Preference: Auto

Application folder: /Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: /Users/seanmolin/Pictures/Lightroom/Catalog-v13.lrcat
Settings Folder: /Users/seanmolin/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom

Installed Plugins: 
1) AdobeStock
2) Aperture/iPhoto Importer Plug-in
3) Flickr
4) JPEGmini
5) Negative Lab Pro v3
6) Nikon Tether Plugin
7) Topaz Photo AI

Config.lua flags: 

[camraom]

I am running Lightroom Classic 13.5 and the only satisfaction I have is that I am not alone with this problem. When I go to the next photo I have time to make a coffee and take a toilet break. Not very impressed with this.

[stefpix]

Is any Adobe insider following these forums Are they aware? I reverted back to 13.2, but it is still slower than 12.x.

Sometimes if I copy and paste settings to about 100 images, it takes way too long to display the changes. Or sometimes it takes 10 seconds for the dialog box to show up. 

This has slowed down my workflow. I have been using LRC from the beginning. Adobe seems to not be addressing this, if 13.5 is bad on a top of the line recent Mac. I wish they did allow a LRC 13 catalog to be opened with LRC 12. Or make a leaner snappier version of LRC without the AI editing features that slow down the process.

If I need AI edits or some major retouching I can use Photoshop. 
Lightroom should be snappy to manage the photo archive, do color/tonal corrections.