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Hi all, 

 

The main issue is I have is with the LOCAL ADJUSTMENT BRUSH... this is my primary tool for editing and critical to my workflow.

 

I'm editing RAW PhaseOne 150mp files. After making just a few adjustments, gradients, etc. any use of the local adjustment brush at 1:1 is nearly impossible. It either lags enormously and then freezes the program or just doesn't work straight away.

 

I don't use Capture One because there is a max of 16 layers and it doesn't fit my workflow since I make local brush adjustments to various qualities of the photo in specific regions and often need to go beyond the 16 layers... but right now I'm facing an issue with even a single local adjustment layer.

 

It seems like the brush is okay when in "FIT" or "FILL", but as soon as I zoom in to 1:1 this is where the issues begin.

 

Of course, I've experimented with GPU acceleration on/off, previews in parallel on/off, editing with/without smart previews, deleting the history, preview cache, and every other "Try these 7 tips to speed up LR" article that I've come across on the internet over the past 6-months. 

 

Last year I used to be able to edit these files by rendering all the PhaseOne files as TIFF and then importing the TIFF into LR, but since August of 2019 when I upgraded my previous MacBook Pro from an i7 (16GB RAM, 4 GB Video) to an i9 (16GB RAM, 4GB Video) my editing workflow has taken a major hit.

 

So, with the i9 not working... I ended up spending several thousand dollars on a custom PC, hoping the issues would be resolved... as encouraged by countless people who couldn't imagine the custom build failing. 

 

I got the following computer yesterday:

 

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core 3.8 GHz

64 GB RAM

11 GB Video RAM: ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI OC 

2TB SSD

 

Monitor: 4k UltraShark 27 inch

 

Please, if there is anyone with any type of solution that I may not have tried yet, I'd be enormously grateful. If you can solve the issue for me and get me back on track I'll send you a print of one of my images. IG: https://www.instagram.com/donalboyd/

 

I've always edited everything in LR because of the enormous flexibility with the local adjustment brushes and masking. I've tried migrating to Photoshop and attempted to use the Camera Raw filter to make local adjustments, but it becomes quite cumbersome when I'm editing a whole set of photos in a collection or for a series where I might need to copy adjustments from one photo to the next. 

 

Perhaps there is some magic LR configuration setting that I have been missing? Or maybe it's something with the PC settings? I can provide any screenshots necessary, screen recordings, etc. And if anyone at Adobe might be able to help and review my system via TeamViewer for example, that would be amazing.

 

P.S. Sorry for the clickbait title... I'm honestly a bit desperate because I haven't edited more than a handful of photos for months.

 

Thank you so much for reading and hopefully, there's someone out there with advice that might solve these longstanding issues. 

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Most Powerful Computer Available - STILL SLOW! Local Adjustment Brush!

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Hi all, 

 

The main issue is I have is with the LOCAL ADJUSTMENT BRUSH... this is my primary tool for editing and critical to my workflow.

 

I'm editing RAW PhaseOne 150mp files. After making just a few adjustments, gradients, etc. any use of the local adjustment brush at 1:1 is nearly impossible. It either lags enormously and then freezes the program or just doesn't work straight away.

 

I don't use Capture One because there is a max of 16 layers and it doesn't fit my workflow since I make local brush adjustments to various qualities of the photo in specific regions and often need to go beyond the 16 layers... but right now I'm facing an issue with even a single local adjustment layer.

 

It seems like the brush is okay when in "FIT" or "FILL", but as soon as I zoom in to 1:1 this is where the issues begin.

 

Of course, I've experimented with GPU acceleration on/off, previews in parallel on/off, editing with/without smart previews, deleting the history, preview cache, and every other "Try these 7 tips to speed up LR" article that I've come across on the internet over the past 6-months. 

 

Last year I used to be able to edit these files by rendering all the PhaseOne files as TIFF and then importing the TIFF into LR, but since August of 2019 when I upgraded my previous MacBook Pro from an i7 (16GB RAM, 4 GB Video) to an i9 (16GB RAM, 4GB Video) my editing workflow has taken a major hit.

 

So, with the i9 not working... I ended up spending several thousand dollars on a custom PC, hoping the issues would be resolved... as encouraged by countless people who couldn't imagine the custom build failing. 

 

I got the following computer yesterday:

 

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core 3.8 GHz

64 GB RAM

11 GB Video RAM: ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 2080 TI OC 

2TB SSD

 

Monitor: 4k UltraShark 27 inch

 

Please, if there is anyone with any type of solution that I may not have tried yet, I'd be enormously grateful. If you can solve the issue for me and get me back on track I'll send you a print of one of my images. IG: https://www.instagram.com/donalboyd/

 

I've always edited everything in LR because of the enormous flexibility with the local adjustment brushes and masking. I've tried migrating to Photoshop and attempted to use the Camera Raw filter to make local adjustments, but it becomes quite cumbersome when I'm editing a whole set of photos in a collection or for a series where I might need to copy adjustments from one photo to the next. 

 

Perhaps there is some magic LR configuration setting that I have been missing? Or maybe it's something with the PC settings? I can provide any screenshots necessary, screen recordings, etc. And if anyone at Adobe might be able to help and review my system via TeamViewer for example, that would be amazing.

 

P.S. Sorry for the clickbait title... I'm honestly a bit desperate because I haven't edited more than a handful of photos for months.

 

Thank you so much for reading and hopefully, there's someone out there with advice that might solve these longstanding issues. 

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Slow local adjustments with 150MP files I suppose is to be expected; slow local adjustments with a 4K monitor is a commonly reported problem even for smaller images in the 30-40MP range. You can try turning off the  GPU to speed up the local adjustments, although that should cause other things to slow down. If I were you, I would do local adjustments in Photoshop.

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I don't understand your statement "I don't use Capture 1 because is has a Max of 16 Layers".

 

Well LR Classic has NO layers.

 

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Sorry for the confusion. It's a bit of misnomer on my part, as I was assigning the term "layer" to describe any local adjustment in LR, for example, if I applied 15 graduated filters, 11 radial filters, and 10 adjustment brushes (all with their own individual combination of sliders - exposure, white balance, highlights, dehaze, etc) then I'd have a total of 36 "layers".

 

More or less I'm just trying to compare the ability to have many more of these "adjustment layers" in LR (not sure if there is actually a limit?), whereas in Capture One there is a limit of 16.

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I downloaded a Phase One IQ4 raw file and can confirm what you are seeing when using the local controls at 1:1 Zoom view. To be honest I've never used any of the local controls at 1:1 Zoom view, which begs the question of what you're trying to do that requires 1:1 Zoom view.

 

Next I tried 1:2 Zoom view with the Adjustment Brush and that was much more responsive. I'm using a 2K display (2560x1440), which is about 1/2 your 4K display resolution. Your system specs are at least 2x my system so I would expect similar performance as you are experiencing. Setting 'Use Graphics Processor' to OFF improves the local control response, but with it on and 'Use GPU for image processing' checked' the local control response is acceptable at 1:2 Zoom and lower.

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For your "series" photos try using Bridge to open a few RAW files in ACR and see if it worked better than Lr.  In my experience it does.

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For your "series" photos try using Bridge to open a few RAW files in ACR and see if it worked better than Lr. In my experience it does.

 

Could you please clarify this? Do you mean that brushing is more responsive in ACR than in Lightroom?

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DJ

 

I haven't tried this in a few years but ACR used to be more responsive than LR.  I am not interested in testing this as LR is working good for me but the OP might want to try this on their 150MP files.  

 

The OP also indicated that using the ACR filter in Photoshop was a faster workable solution except for applying edits to multiple photos at the same time.  Using the Bridge/ACR method takes care of the multiple photo edit issue.

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