Drop Shadow effect doesn't work if using new Crop tool included in effect controls

[mary catherinef5429993]

Previously you could apply a dropshadow effect to a cropped image that would update with the crop as long as the crop appeared above the dropshadow effect in the Effect Controls. Now with the new crop effect built in to the basic Motion controls, applying a drop shadow no longer works if you have an active crop within thoes controls. You have to use a secondary crop effect for it to work as intended. 

System info

    Application: Premiere Pro (Beta) v25.1.0.11

    OS: macOS v13.6.7, RAM: 64.00 GB GB, CPUs (logical): 16

[Mike-Berry]

Hi -

Can you include a screenshot of what you mean when you say it doesn't work?

Thanks,

Mike

[Ann Bens]

Build in crop effect: no drop shadow

Regular crop effect: drop shadow is showing.

[Mike-Berry]

This is as designed. The intrinsic crop happens at the last stage, the same time as other parts of Motion (scaling, rotation, so on). The drop shadow you have applied is earlier in the compositing chain, and therefore it's effects are cropped out by the intrinsic crop (just like they are scaled by intrinsic scale and rotated by intrinsic rotation). This is why we did not remove the stand-alone crop effect - there are times when you want the cropping to happen at an earlier point in the compositing chain (like this one).

Mike

[cameronb18867892]

Interesting!  Good to know about the compositing order, how the Motion parameters are applied last.

Just as an FYI - this is counter-intuitive somewhat for me, as I always assumed it worked in a 'top-down' order, just like the effects work, and since the Motion is at the top, I assumed it was first.  Thanks for clarifying (and for leaving in the crop effect!)

[Mike-Berry]

The fact that the ECP is upside down has bothered me since we made that decision in 2002. As we move more and more functionality over time into the new Properties Panel, fixing that is at the top of my list (no pun intended).

Mike

[Kevin-Monahan]

OMG. was also confused by this when trying to understand the effects pipeline. Thanks for the question @mary catherinef5429993.

@cameronb18867892,

You can work around the issue by nesting the clip, then adding the drop shadow. You can also use the Crop effect and not have to nest. That seems to work for me.

I'll feature this discussion. Everyone should know this workflow info.

Sorry for the confusion, @cameronb18867892 and @mary catherinef5429993.

Cheers,
Kevin

[Ann Bens]

Thanks for the explanation: guessed as much.

Could you please put the intrinsic crop parameters in one dropdown.

Takes up a lot of room.