Frameless skin - Topic page buttons

[Karin Albrecht]

Hi all,

I am a bit at a loss. I am using RH 2020.7.46 new UI. I don't understand what this setting in the frameless skin editor does exactly: 

Layout - Topic page buttons

I deleted the button "Expand/Collapse all" here, as I don't want it to be displayed on my pages. I do not use expanded text. However, this took no effect.

I then found another place in the skin editor:

Topic Page - Buttons

Here, I tried which button-number was the button I wanted to be deleted and set the display to "none". Now, the button is no longer displayed. Instead, a search button is shown which is not working (no tooltip, no on-click-action).

So, I don't really understand at which place I have to define what.

1. Is my assumption correct that I have to define the function on the first tab and the layout, image etc. on the second? 
2.  Why are there no image paths given for buttons that definitely have an image?
   Image path missing
3.  How am I to know which button is which number? In some cases, I get a marker in the editor, in some I don't.
4.  Also, deleting a button in the Layout tab causes chaos in the naming/funtion of the other buttons:

wrong namingwrong name, function ...I would be grateful for any ideas / documentation etc. on this. I already read this https://helpx.adobe.com/robohelp/using/frameless-skin-editor.html and what I could find on Peter Grainge's site

Thanks,

Karin

[Peter Grainge · Accepted solution]

This is the Studio skin, correct?

With a new copy of the skin I applied the None setting and it Expand/Collapse no longer showed, here or in the output.

I wonder if deleting the image first has caused the problem of another image appearing. Try a fresh copy of the skin.

Writing up all the options would be like trying to write up all the HTML5 and CSS3 settings with the result of every permutation. I am hoping there will be some simplification in the next version but as soon as you remove all the options someone will then shout they cannot do what they want the editor to do.

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[Karin Albrecht]

Peter, thank you for looking into it. It was Orange skin.

You were right, deleting the button did cause the issue. I got this to work now. 

However, I still wonder if someone knows what the settings under Layout - Topic Page Buttons are supposed to do. I could detect no real effect.

[Peter Grainge]

Which particular setting? For the supplied buttons, it's really only the Titles you might want to changed. For new buttons you want to add, you would just complete the fields needed. 

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[Karin Albrecht]

Ah, okay. I was especially wondering why deleting a button here did not take any effect. Thanks for the clarification.

[Peter Grainge]

I thought you were asking about the various settings. I hadn't picked up on Delete not working, the original problem, but it seems to be working for me.

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[Karin Albrecht]

I am not sure, if we are talking about the same thing. If I delete the button "Expand/Collapse all" in a fresh Oceanic skin (or Orange or Studio as well)

and run an output, the button is still displayed on the topic page.

The only thing that happens is that the text and functions of the other buttons are no longer correctly assigned (i.e., Title "Expand/Collapse" is then given, when I select the button "Save" in the list).

So, this is what I mean with "Delete not working". Is this working for you? Or am I completely misunderstanding what effect this should have?

[Peter Grainge]

The area is buggy but if you both delete the button where you have shown and then in Topic Page settings set the display to None, it goes away.

It also seems to be important to change the button in Select Button to something other than the one you are going to delete so that the text doesn't stick.

Looks like another bug report.

Update 23/04/22 See RH-10738 | Tracker (adobe.com)

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[Karin Albrecht]

Thanks for the update, Peter. Sparing me the effort to create the bug ticket myself 🙂

[deniseh47762385]

I'm a little gunshy but I want to remove the "Expand/Collapse all" button too since it serves no purpose if we don't have expanding text in our topics. What is the best approach?

[Karin Albrecht]

No need to be afraid, you can always create a number of copies of your skins and play around. I think, the following approach should do the trick.

- Make a copy of your skin, in case something does not work as expected. Then you can always move back.

- Edit the skin.

- Move to the tab "Topic Page" (1)

- In the folder "Buttons", click the individuel entries until you see the one you want to hide shown in the preview (2)

- For this button, change the entry in "Display" to "none"