Property release question

[J Michael Jones]

Am a new contributor to Adobe stock, just had my first images approved.  Also just learned that one of those images approved by Adobe is considered as needing a property release at another agency.   I did not mark it as needing one when I submitted it at Adobe, and it was accepted without question.  Does this mean Adobe deems it as acceptable without a release, or is it my responsibility to make that decision?  Here's the image.  Would appreciate knowledgeable feedback. 

[joanH · Accepted solution]

You can revisit the site of uploading your stock and go through the list of words to describe this photo -- at the bottom of the list is a yes/no asking if anything in this stock offering is recognizable - click on the yes button this time and follow the instructions about a release form. I have had several of my illustrations accepted and then a release is requested, often in an email. The picture might need the owner of this logging operation permission. Best regards, JH

[sjlocke215]

This image in no way requires a release.

[joanH]

Looks as though Adobe does require it. JH

[J Michael Jones]

Thanks, Joan.  I have sent a message to Sheena Kaul, but if you have time could you tell me how to remove the photo from my portfolio?

It would take a whole afternoon to drive to the location and back, with a high probability of a negative outcome.  I took the shot from a public road, and know no one at the business.  They would have no reason to release it.

Thanks for your help.

Michael

[joanH]

Once a photo or drawing is submitted it can not be deleted. Adobe does not do that. I have a few I wish I could delete too. To get into the submission checklist, you might have to resubmit the same photo under a different name. Hope it works out for you. JH

[J Michael Jones]

Wow.  So, in good faith I submit a photo without a release, then find

out Adobe requires one. I can't get one, but Adobe won't delete it?  

I'm not sure what that means. Could that be a problem for me going forward?

Thanks,

Michael

[joanH]

There are good things from this experience, now you know how strict Adobe is about these laws and that they do not delete submitted work. So, now you will be alert to the possibility of needing a release form when you take the photo. If you can not get one don't submit it to Adobe. Other buyers of stock might not be so strict but Adobe is world-wide and must be very cautious. Regards, JH

[sjlocke215]

No, it's no problem.  Nobody will ever see it.

Again though, nothing here to require a release, so feel free to submit elsewhere if you like.  No need to drive back out anywhere.

[J Michael Jones]

Thanks, sjlocke2015.

It's a very muddy business--property releases.  The thing I find

discouraging is that agencies really don't provide enough detail on

their rules.   As joanh said above, "other buyers of stock might not be

so strict", so determining how "strict" is a matter of trial and

error, trying to find someone to ask questions of, and taking your best

guess.  My understanding up to now is that if all identifying logos,

writing, and other proprietary marks were removed from a product, and it

wasn't otherwise identifiable as a specific brand or a specific object,

then a release was not needed.  Apparently you have something of  the

same understanding.

But for Adobe to have a clear ruling on this particular image, yet not

tell me about it in the review process---that's kind of discouraging.

It is what it is.

Thanks.

Michael

[joanH]

So many legal things to consider. Try reading the Adobe Information for Newcomers supplied - see the information on releases and you will know that the world is adding regulations daily and each state, country, and continent has different rules. I am looking at Adobe release regulations I printed from Adobe information for stock sales - I stopped at five pages. If I draw a picture of a person and it looks too real, I am required to sign a property release saying I created it. Regards, JH

[J Michael Jones]

"If I draw a picture of a person and it looks too real, I am required to

sign a property release saying I created it. Regards, JH"

That just means you're too good.:}

Michael

[joanH]

Oh, how sweet. Thank you. Is there such a thing as too good? : 0

[Ricky336]

Does this mean Adobe deems it as acceptable without a release, or is it my responsibility to make that decision?

Actually, Adobe will tell you if you need a release. If they accept the image, but needs a release, it will go into the 'reminders' section. (Especially if a model release is required). For property rights, probably just rejected under IP rights.

If they accepted it, which in your post you say they have, then I wouldn't worry about it. There are no identifying marks, so this picture could have been taken anywhere. The key thing is being identifiable!

Although, if there are identifying marks etc, and you want to upload, then of course you would need a release. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes not!

So, I think sjlocke is correct!

As for the other agency, well each agency has their own requirements!

Here, we are talking about Adobe.

My understanding up to now is that if all identifying logos,

writing, and other proprietary marks were removed from a product, and it

wasn't otherwise identifiable as a specific brand or a specific object,

then a release was not needed.

This is how I understand it as well, and so far, I haven't had an issue. And, if there is an issue, it gets rejected under IP rights. No problem. Sometimes, I just don't know, so I submit, and let them decide. Again, the key point is BEING IDENTIFIABLE.

As for deleting an image, yes, you can delete yourself! You don't have to get Adobe to delete for you!

Go to your portfolio, click on an image, and you have the option to change keywords, title and DELETE.

I don't think you can delete everything, but should leave around 10% of your images.

Adobe gives a lot of individual control over your images!

[J Michael Jones]

Thanks, Ricky.  You are correct about the ability to delete images, as I just checked and, in fact, deleted the image in question.   This leads me to believe you are right in your other comments, but was tired of looking at that silly crane.  I may re-submit it with other similar images in the future--when I have more confidence in working with Adobe. 

Thanks to all.

Michael

[joanH]

Once again rickey336 you offer excellent information. I did not try this trick to erase my rejected stock. Never thought of it. Now I can stop looking at the stuff nobody wants or likes.  THANK YOU. I am a rickey fan for sure. Best regards, JH

[Ricky336]

Joan,

Deleting your files is only relevant to the portfolio page and NOT the uploaded rejected  tab file page. You can't delete files from here. They are for your reference (from Adobe's perspective) and no one can see these images.

[J Michael Jones]

Does deleting the image from the portfolio take it offline--remove it from the corpus of images for sale?  That's the important thing.  From your last comment, I'm confused about this.

Thanks,

MIchael

[Ricky336]

Yes - it will not show up on the Adobe Stock - it is removed, gone. Joanh was referring to the rejected page - I think - where your rejected files are stored. These cannot be deleted. BUT, they can be from the portfolio page - meaning they were accepted, so you can delete -  as you have done -right!