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I have started adding some AI-generated images to my submissions, and I find that quality issues are being raised as the reason for rejection. Some of the early ones, I can see, there were artifact issues in upscaling. Now I am more selective in the upscaler settings, but I get a broad message 'rejected with quality issues'. It would be great if the reviewer had a checkbox for lighting, artifacts, focus, etc., or better yet, added a short comment (if they are human). It would greatly improve future submissions as we experiment with AI-generated images.
Thoughts?
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Adobe moderators review thousands of images per week. Maybe per day. They don't have time to make notes or check specific boxes. If you want some feedback, post a couple of your rejected assets here at the size originally submitted.
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Understandable, but why could they not have variants of the more reject button options for quality? Like [Reject Artifacts], [Reject Sharpness], [Reject Other], for example.
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You mean like this:
or like this:
or like this:
You are seven years too late. All those issues have been groupped into "quality issues" which makes moderation much faster, which is hell more important than you having an accurate refusal message. Quality issues, or artefacts, focus, or exposure: it did not make a big difference. If you can't figure out the issue, you have the forums. We will help you to get trained to look at your assets with a critical eye. And that includes all refusal reasons.
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Adobe used to provide more specific feedback, such as artifacts, noise, focus, etc., but that was eliminated ~5 years ago. Images often have more than one quality issue, but Moderators aren't given the time to provide detailed feedback. I assume their review system also does not provide for ticking multiple rejection check boxes. Regardless, I'll reiterate my earlier statement: you are expected to be able to assess your own images. It is not the Moderator's responsibility to teach you to do so. There are many other learning resources available to you online.
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Still, that would take extra time, especially if there were multiple issues, as is often the case.
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Adobe Moderators are tasked with reviewing hundreds of thousands of assets each day, and they simply aren't given enough time to provide more detailed feedback. There is an expectation that Contributors should know how to assess their own work. Adobe has provided this forum for you to receive feedback from other Contributors. Upload 2 or 3 of your rejected assets for feedback.
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The fact is that none of us understand how the system of selection really works.
Another fact is that wether 100% human or 1% AI, at least when it comes to traditional photos the system is flawed! In this forum I have seen some work that is great and should have never been rejected,
and that is also a matter of personal opinion.
When it comes to commenting on "why work wasn't accepted" posts, I dont bother when it's obvious why, includding if the photos leave little to be desire. But when I see work that is awesome I focus on giving possistive feedback and suggestions to make the image better, and above all I encourage the contributor to keep going forward creating more.
I find it arrogant that some actually think this is social media, where they get to opine on my comments or personal experineces with Adobe.
I'm not suggesting sugar coating anything, but no one comes here to socialize, compare or compete, we come to share our experiences with Adobe Stock, and yes hopefully learn something from each other that we didn't know before.
Brett, I'm not a big fan of AI, but I will always encourage you to create your best work, and for making smart comments like you posted. The idea is to succeed together with Adobe as partners... bc partners we are, and partners communicate with each other what is not working and how to make things better.
Become your most critical critic, and try only posting a question about a specific asset only if you genuinly don't understand why it was rejected, keeping in mind that all you will get is a bunch of opinions, and less legitimate reasons.
Have a great day
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Thanks for the detailed comment. I guess the main issue is inconsistency, something that is rejected for Quality is accepted by Getty or Shutterstock. When the response is broad, like 'quality issues, ' it makes it harder to critically look at the next submission to Adobe.
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Yes it's harder for you, because you really have to study your images carefully to find the flaws. I had one image that I thought was perfect, but it was rejected. When I zoomed way in, I found a very small edge with chromatic aberration on a small boat. I fixed it and resubmitted and it was accepted.
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Yep. I once had an image of a model rejected. I fussed around with things that could POSSIBLY have been the reason for rejection and submitted it again. Rejected. Months later, as my spidey senses increased, I realized there wasn't anything wrong with the model...it was due to a crappy background I broke my rule about submitting something more than twice and it was accepted.
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Months later, as my spidey senses increased, I realized there wasn't anything wrong with the model...it was due to a crappy background I broke my rule about submitting something more than twice and it was accepted.
By @daniellei4510
But you changed the background to something acceptable. Experience is all here, and my stock contributions are a good school to judge my pictures, even when doing client work. 😉
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Yeah, I had more success with images I photographed, but now with AI I guess I need to pan all around the image for any tiny little flaw. The upsizer I am using seems to do a very good job, and I clean up in Photoshop, but on one of the images, for example, I noticed a tiny hair on the eyeball at 400% zoom was the only artifact.I will fix it and see if that was the problem. But, I guess this was the reason for the post in the first place. If we keep guessing and resubmitting, doesn't that create more workload for the reviewers than an indication of the issue.
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I have started adding some AI-generated images to my submissions, and I find that quality issues are being raised as the reason for rejection. Some of the early ones, I can see, there were artifact issues in upscaling. Now I am more selective in the upscaler settings, but I get a broad message 'rejected with quality issues'. It would be great if the reviewer had a checkbox for lighting, artifacts, focus, etc., or better yet, added a short comment (if they are human). It would greatly improve future submissions as we experiment with AI-generated images.
Thoughts?
By @Star_Imaging
If you get a refusal that you can't figure out, post the asset here, and we will check the asset for you. But as a tip: 99% of the errors in generative AI are simply artefacts, due to poor AI training and rendering errors because generative AI has no idea what it is showing. And then there is upscaling, where users are overly confident what can be done with that. So, none of the error descriptions you are suggesting would tell you how to check for these errors.
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It would be great if the reviewer had a checkbox for lighting, artifacts, focus, etc., or better yet, added a short comment (if they are human).
By @Star_Imaging
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That will never happen. Stock receives thousands of submissions per week. Reviewers have limited time to examine each one and pick the first refusal reason they see. Although there may be multiple reasons for refusal, Contributors get only one bite from the apple per submission.
If Adobe gave personal replies to each Contributor, they'd never get their work done. And we would wait 6 months or more for reviews. 😝
AI images are rarely perfect. Machines make many mistakes with details. Zoom in to 100-300% magnification. Closely examine every quadrant of your asset for accuracy. Proper number of fingers & toes. Correctly drawn apparel, jewelry, eyes, nose, mouth, teeth & hair, etc...
For better answers, we need to see the rejected full-sized asset. We're fairly good at pinpointing AI mistakes that you probably overlooked.
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I agree, the problem will not be solved by humans sending notes. I bet one eye Adobe is already working on integrating an improved selection process with the help of AI, that would at least remove the mood a human brings to work, which clearly is... let's just say imperfect humans!
Today I received a photo rejection for @ issues, which is an absolute misinterpretation since I had already removed the w logos. Then I put another 20 minutes removing lines, and a couple of hours later it got rejected for "quality issues".
Lets just say someone is not happy in their job...
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I've never had an asset rejected for quality issues that didn't deserve to be rejected. I must be getting all the happy moderators. 😉
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Good one 😂😂
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Lets just say someone is not happy in their job...
By @ZALEZPHOTO
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This smells like self-confession that YOU are not happy.
Successful contributors own their mistakes & learn from them. Unsuccessful contributors whine and blame the examiners.
The camp you choose is up to you. Be happy!
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I appreciate your comments and honesty Nancy. I definitely don't think it's something personal. I am still new to stock, and continue to evolve my understanding of the industry.
Adobe is doing a lot of great things, and I'm very pleased with how it's making my workflow better and more efficient.
Your point is taken, and ultimately I am in the camp of learning and enjoying the process.
Thank you!
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Your point is taken, and ultimately I am in the camp of learning and enjoying the process.
By @ZALEZPHOTO
Sorry, but you are in the camp of the conspiracy theorists.
You want an example?
Today I received a photo rejection for @ issues, which is an absolute misinterpretation since I had already removed the w logos. Then I put another 20 minutes removing lines, and a couple of hours later it got rejected for "quality issues".
Lets just say someone is not happy in their job...
By @ZALEZPHOTO
Besides the fact that some of your text is not to understand (why "@" and what is a "w logo"), you think that there is a misinterpretation because you have removed (already!) logos. You are working 20 minutes on a file, and think that this is a reason that it should be error free?
I'm with @Nancy OShea!
Moderators, as all humans, may have a bad day, but if you get an asset, that gets multiple times a refusal, there is a high chance that the asset has an issue.
You may not know this, but you are selling your assets to people paying a lot for getting error free assets, not assets that you think are good enough.
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I notice you have a tendency to pick and choose, and make comments without addressing the full context of what you read. That's 100% on you, and I recomment that you pay more attention to what you read, so that you may actually have a positive impact on the contribution you want to make.
And I will try to be more accurate explaining any opinion or issue I have.
No need to reply or waste our time any further on this topic.
ps. I question everything that makes no sense in our material world, it has serve me well throughout my life.
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With this new similarity issue, I'm afraid what we're seeing is many cases of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater", pardon my metaphor...
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With this new similarity issue, I'm afraid what we're seeing is many cases of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater", pardon my metaphor...
By @Tan_Tin
Sure. It makes confirmed and good contributors unhappy. But the issue started probably with contributors using automated systems to submit masses. As always, because of a few a lot are getting a bad experience.
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@Tan_Tin I agree, when I use the 'check similar image' option on Adobe, some I totally agree with but others are significantly different to the images on the first few pages of scrolling. I think the AI is just looking at purely looking quantity that it matches and keyword similarity. I think I will stop using Adobe suggested keywords and use another tool to generate them and see if that makes a difference. I do feel this option is doing more harm than good as old iAI mages at lower quality are keeping newer ones out of the collection.
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