Dominic, #20, quote:-
>(By the bye, I'm assuming you weren't being deliberately ironic with your "You get such badly typed messages on the Internet message boards" statement.)
Ha ha ..... I don't know, ya cheeky thing 🙂 But I'm amazed people seem to think bad spelling more important than the miss use, or rather, lack of capitals. Surely, spelling is a much more difficult thing to master. The proper use of capitalization is by comparison much easier to learn and its miss / lack of use is usually deliberate whereas bad spelling is accidental and requires time to correct.
>Simply because you started off by saying that the use of lowercase instead of capitals "looks absolutely awfull through my designers eyes", that you didn't consider "the ignoring of grammer to such an extent as this to be ... justified by 'artistic liscense'" and that "It is a poor design that does so in my opinion." Pretty black-and-white statements. But then you admit that "every now and again I do see a logo that uses lower case and it does look good". I can't reconcile how something that looks absolutely awful can also look good.
Well, I don't see why I can't have strong views about something and yet there to be certain cases in that area were my views are not so strong. It's like having strong views about a certain type of music, say, jazz. Someone can say "Oh I hate jazz, it's absolutely awfull, but yet, I quite like that certain piece by Nina Simone".
You state about 'InDesign' and 'london' that you "don't see any notable difference between the two". Well the main and very notable difference in my opinion is that 'InDesign' has a capital letter. That gives it some kind of importance and lifts it up above other words, that gives it a proper name look. Whereas 'london' just looks like a normal word of no particular significance.
Now Dominic, here's where I'm going to annoy you even more. Heather, #19, points out:-
>iPod (there's some interesting use of capitalization)
And yes, I agree, there is an interesting use of capitalization, and one which, although at first I did have reservations, I can accept. Again, like 'InDesign' this is a combination of two words. Not quite sure what the 'i' stands for (is it Internet?) but at least there is a capital there and also in an acceptable place i.e. at the begining of a word. You see, as I've already mentioned, proper names are defined by the use of capitalization. As my example in #1 with the word 'ford' shows, you have to have some way of defining a proper name. I don't see it makes any difference whether it is in a sentence or on it's own. Imagine the word 'ford' on it's own on a logo. What would it tell you? Does it refer to a river crossing or a car? Why make such a meaning so dependant on other knowledge of the logo? Is that good practice? In general is it not better that the less the public are confused the better?
>I suggest you actually look at his (Tschichold's) work before accusing him of being "bogged down in theory". In my opinion, his typesetting was always nothing short of excellent.
Well, fair enough, I will. But if he did not use capitals then that's a bit like a pianist being accurate in his rendition of every note of the music except there is no expression. It's a uniform volume throughout.
>Heather does raise an interesting point - you do seem to be coming at this from the perspective of a teacher or proofreader rather than a designer.
Well, notice I am refering to aesthetics, what the word looks like, does the word look like a proper name? Is that not the designer's field? In my opinion the lack of proper capitalization looks aesthetically poor. It's all to do with aesthetics, that's the reasoning behind capitals ..... aesthetics.
>And it could well be argued that the Olympics logo works - it's certainly lodged itself memorably in your mind.
Hee hee, it certainly has. It's up there along with Hitler and Tracy Emin's unmade bed. Both made a big impression on me 😞 Yuuieks!!!! (Spell checker watch out)
>PS. Where did you get that quote from that you attribute to Tschichold? I found it by googling, but in the reference I found it's not clear at all that he said it.
Yes, you are right. sorry, (hands up) the result of trying to do this at work and rushing. I've found the page, here:-
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NQKgLGhFvWAC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=
Tschichold+and+capital+letters&so
urce=web&ots=ptiNyGHVV0&sig=YfRBatpfga7pZgtVVuVBVmnYvDc&hl=en&sa=X&oi
=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA44,M1
(Had to split this up as it was knocking the text of the whole thread hard up to the left, so be carefull copy and pasting it)
Should I have perhaps stated that it was 'their' reasoning for not using capitals instead of 'his' reasoning? Did Tschichold have different reasons for not using capitals? What was his actual decapitalization method? I'm finding it difficult to find.