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‎Dec 19, 2024
03:11 AM
Hello, The latest versions of InDesign CC have the functionality for converting endnotes to footnotes or vice versa. This conversion can be for all notes in the document or select notes. My question is whether specific notes can be found in the document based on formatting (e.g. with a GREP search) and then the found note is converted. Consider the following footnotes in a document... 1. Bla bla note one. 2. [Lorem ipsum note two.] 3. Bla bla bla bla another note here. 4. [Eeny meeny miny mo.] 5. Ip dip do the cat has the flu. So, I want to find the footnotes in square brackets. I know I can do this with a Grep search which would be something like: Find: ~F\t\[.+\] Find format - Paragraph style: Footnote paragraph The question is whether it is possible to covert the found text into an endnote other than manually through the right click options or TYPE > CONVERT FOOTNOTES AND ENDNOTES options. Does this require a script or can it be done through Find/Replace? If only there ws a way to select all of the required footnotes then the menu option could be used to convert them to endnotes. This would also work.
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‎Nov 26, 2024
03:42 AM
I've just re-read the internal document of a major publisher that, among other things, publishes critical editions. They have been using Microsoft Word and the scholars and copy editors are tagging the elements of the document ... the specialist typesetters must then be interpreting these tags and documents to produce an appropriate layout. Anyway, this must be the old-style work flow and the workflow used by scholars not working in specialist teams. Most humanities scholars have very little IT aptitude to even manually add XML tags to a document by hand.
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‎Nov 26, 2024
03:29 AM
Can anybody answer this specific question? In the latest edition of InDesign CC is it possible to thread the endnote story accross pages?
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‎Nov 26, 2024
03:27 AM
Good point: if an author can't type, organise, structure, and present a text in a word processor, then one could hardly expect a designer to design it in ID unless by manual means. I haven't been able to discover the exact publication worflow used by publishers of critical editions but it seems that scholars are indeed using specialist word processors such as Classical Text Editor (CTE) to annotate a text and produce "camera ready copy" . So publishers are missing out the typesetting/design step which helps explain why nobody in this forum has much experience of these type of texts. Here are some other links which may be of interest: https://epidoc.stoa.org/gl/latest/supp-apparatus.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_apparatus https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/TC.html
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‎Nov 22, 2024
06:04 AM
Hi @Robert at ID-Tasker . A sample document for what? The image I shared of Richard Fitznigel, Dialogus de Scaccario, and Constitutio Domus Regis? Sorry, i didn't do the layout so I do not have anything to share. A point to note is that this book was typeset almost 20 years ago so somebody in our design community must have the knowledge 🙂 Maybe it was just a manual job
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‎Nov 22, 2024
05:36 AM
In the latest edition of InDesign CC is it possible to thread the endnote story accross pages? So to have two series of 'footnotes' in a document we would have as follows: Series 1: built-in footnotes at bottom of page Series 2: built-in endnotes in independent story which is threaded according at will e.g. at the end of the story, end of the book, from page margin to page margin. Would this work? So this would be what the Footwork v.3 plugin does? It may be useful to keep in mind that, of course, multiple series of footnotes is a fairly basic feature in InDesign if they are relating to different stories. But the purpose of this conversation is the best way to get multiple series of footnotes for THE SAME STORY. As has already been identified, a key consideration for multiple series of footnotes is to figure out the references for the multiple series. Some series can get pretty ugly if they get too long e.g. Roman numerals, letters, or asterisks and daggers ... but if the series is short or restarts each page it should be fine.
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‎Nov 22, 2024
05:25 AM
@James Gifford—NitroPress To build upon a previous comment about critical editions (e.g. of ancient texts). The need for multiple series of footnotes arises, for example, when a text is published and then the editor has a series of footnotes to mention alternative spellings or words given in different manuscripts; and then in another series of footnotes the editor provides commentary on the text. There are other ways to do this and some scholarly texts have a system of 'critical apparatus' (apparatus criticus; 'app crit') where they refer to line numbers rather than use notes ... but, yes, this is a pretty niche area. The image below is from page 90 of Richard Fitznigel, Dialogus de Scaccario, and Constitutio Domus Regis: The Dialogue of the Exchequer, and The Disposition of the Royal Household ed. and trans. ‎Emilie Amt (OUP, 2007). Series: Oxford Medieval Texts. Link on Google Books: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Dialogus_de_Scaccario_and_Constitutio_Do/qZ8VDAAAQBAJ  
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‎Oct 17, 2024
04:06 AM
This issue has been resolved on another thread: https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/troubleshooting-inconsistent-opentype-features-in-indesign/m-p/14877599 The issue is a result of the World Ready Composer which appears to have been resolved in CC.
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‎Oct 17, 2024
04:04 AM
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Just to draw a close on this academic issue, I did test on a different system using CS6 and ScribeDOOR and I got the same issue. So, the issue appears to have been with the World-Ready Composer rather than the plugin and, as @Joel Cherney says, "was resolved sometime between CS6 (8.0) and today (19.5)"
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‎Sep 27, 2024
07:33 AM
Sure, personal preference and workflow is the final arbiter but, just to clarify, I clear the style when importing (placing) the text from Word ... I don't touch the actual word file. I have found the following workflow to be good for me: 1) place word dcoument, keeping local overrides only 2) apply character styles where needed e.g. italics and superscripts 3) remove all overides in a document using a script 4) apply paragraph styles as required while comparing to original word document Author's seldomly are experts in formatting so I would rather "rebuild" the format of a document from clean text rather than import the formatting and try to make good. Some publishers accept this approach but help the designer by having the document tagged e.g. <A> for first-level headings, <B> for second-level headings etc. So the text is still imported clean but there is no need for the designer to refer back to the document to figure out what the author is trying to do.
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‎Sep 26, 2024
03:59 AM
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Thank you for your support and your congratulations are quite a special compliment for me 🙂 On the In-Tools website there is a section where the functionality of the World Tools plug-in is compared to the full ME version, it says "The World Ready Composer in CS4 is pretty good. The one in CS5 is even better. But there might be bugs in the composer which the ME version addresses...." Sounds like CC has addressed some issues in the composer. But in 2017 @Joel Cherney you replied to a post about another issue I found in the composer (see here) and you found that a glyph combining issue could be recreated in CC 2017), I wonder if this is still the case in the latest verion of CC? So, I have been under the impression that increased cloud and AI functionality in InDesign is not anything useful for me in designing long documents. But now I see ID finally started supporting endnotes in 2018 ... so perhaps I am only just 6 years behind the curve! Still, with 1 series of footnotes and 1 series of endnotes, this is just placing ID in par with a wordprocessor like MS Word (in this specific feature). How about multiple series of each? Or marginal notes? I digress! Anyway, if anybody has any unused versions of CS6 language plugins (i.e. ScribeDOOR) I would be happy to see if I can recreate the same problem without WinTools 🙂 Other than that, looks like you are right, I may have to use CC after all these years. Thank you again!
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‎Sep 26, 2024
03:54 AM
Coming to this very late but personally I have never attempted to map styles from Word to ID when importing...rather I always clear all styles, just preserving local overrides...that way you get a much cleaner document without saving the Word doc in an RTF (which sounds a bit counterintuitive to me and, from memory, I suspect, it is not "pure" rich text but Word adds its own things on top) Peter Kahrel wrote scripts which I use in CS6 which convert footnotes to endnotes and they are placed at the end of the story ... not as a separate story. From memory, if one note is added or deleted it does not renumber the whole series. For his updated endnote scripts see here: https://creativepro.com/files/kahrel/indesignscripts.html
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‎Sep 25, 2024
02:41 AM
I recreated the problem I have been talking about with Adobe Naskh in a fresh document. INDD and PDF attached. The problem only occurs with certain ligatures and seems to require a full line (i.e. page 2 but NOT page 1). I have highlighted in pink the instances in the document where the diacritics are thrown out. Interestingly, the line on page 2 with note 12 does not have any problems. I would be curious, and grateful, to hear whether anybody can recreate this problem in their own environments or even with other scripts and fonts! (As an aside, a user reported a diacritic (dot / nikud ) positinging problem when using any Hebrew font in InDesign as part of a composite font; see here.)
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‎Sep 24, 2024
10:25 AM
Just writing quickly before preparing a document or a screen capture to share, I think I have managed to zoom in on the issue. The problem with the diacritic positioning seems to REQUIRE the following conditions: Adobe Naskh is used with ligatures OpenType positioning is used for the diacritics The line contains a footnote reference with more than 1 digit. If these 3 conditions are fulfilled THEN a diacritic will be mispositioned somewhere on the line (even if the line only has one word) although there appears to be no pattern which diacritic will b e mispositioned or where. Sound weird? I'll look forward to sending proof!
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‎Sep 24, 2024
09:42 AM
Thank you for clarifying about the document fonts ... yes, I come across this when packaging an InDesign document. Point taken about posting the file, I shall have to follow up with this although your speculations are certainly useful in terms of background info. Yes, I am eschewing perpetual licensing by keeping CS6 alive by using the World Tools extension...although if I cannot get Adobe Naskh to behave then maybe my time is up! And yes, I can access the diacritic positioning preferences in the paragraph and character style settings (as you can see from 1:15 in my screen recording). Removing the OpenType positioning makes the situation even worse.
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‎Sep 23, 2024
07:13 AM
I am not sure what the difference is between a globally installed font and a document font. In the "Find/Replace Font" >> More Info dialogue, I see that some fonts have the path of the font displayed (e.g. "C:\Windows\Fonts\times.ttf") but other fonts do not give a path and it just says "System Font". Not sure what this means. Actually, for the small caps issue I mentioned, I did find that the issue was because of the world-ready composer. So, with Libertinus Sans (v. 7.040) I found that the OpenType All Small Caps feature worked in World-Ready Composer but not with the normal paragraph and single-line composers (all apart from the letter "i"). I also tried with Minion Pro and Calibri but did not get this problematic behavior. So, admitting that this particular OpenType issue is a font issue then it begs the question as to why would a font for Western languages (Cyrillic, Latin, and Greek scripts) not work with the regular composers? What went wrong with the font design? As for the other issue I mentioned, using Adobe Naskh for Arabic composition then I am still none the wiser. If I copy a problematic string of letters and paste with formatting into a clean document the problem dissappears. So I wonder why the font engine is being "shaken" into behaving properly. In the attached screen captue you can see the problematic document on the left and a new document on the right. I copy from left and paste with formatting into the new document. We can see that there are no style overrides at work. We can also see that the positioning of the "diacritics" is effected by the diacritic positioning options. Perhaps in this case the issue is due to with bugs in
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‎Sep 23, 2024
06:40 AM
Fair point, but I am talking about typefaces that definitely do have the OpenType features being accessed.
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‎Sep 20, 2024
10:22 AM
Thank you for the reply. I am using Windows 11 (v. 23H2) and InDesign v.8.0 I will have to check further if the problems mentioned are document specific or not as sometimes I base one document on another or import styles. I tried clearing the font cache but this did not help. The other items mentioned in the linked article did not seem relevant as I am not using a font managment plugin and ID is not crashing.
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‎Sep 20, 2024
07:46 AM
Assuming that I am using a reputable typeface in InDesign (i.e. one packaged with the software or from a known foundry/developer) ... why would certain OpenType features not work?
For example, using Libertinus Sans, I find in one document the "OpenType All Small Caps" feature works and in another document it does not.
Similarly, with Adobe Naskh (an Arabic typeface) I find that sometime the diacritics and dots are poorly positioned but in another document with seemingly the same document, para and character settings I do not get the problem.
So, if I am finding certain OpenType features are not working for me...where should I look first?
If this question seems too broad then it is because I am finding it difficult to recreate the problem with specific settings or a specific font.
I am just asking where to continue looking in trouble shooting .... is it most likely a font problem or an InDesign problem or a mixture of the two? What could some of the most obvious causes be?
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‎Sep 20, 2024
07:36 AM
I am getting a similar problem, but using an Arabic font (Adobe Naskh) ... but I am not using a composite font https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/language-support-adobe-naskh-arabic-support-diacritic-positioning-ligatures/m-p/14867162#M589515
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‎Sep 20, 2024
07:31 AM
I found a post where the user was using a Hebrew font and experiencing poor dot positioning ... apparently because of problems using composite fonts. https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/fonts-opentype-features-not-working-in-composite-fonts-in-indesign/m-p/12392355#M445572 But I am not using a composite font. Just meant to say that strange things can happen in InDesign. Also, I do not think the problem is due to not using the ME version and the Western version + plugin generally works fine.
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‎Sep 18, 2024
06:53 AM
Yes, InDesign CS6 is old now, fair point, but as you know a lot of the things do not get updated so I am not sure it is a problem with an old plugin. Adobe Naskh came packaged with the software so it should be compatable. If you cannot recreate the problem that is good but it does not really speak to my point because I cannot reliably recreate the problem either! That is the point! Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't so I am trying to understand what the text engine is doing. I don't know if this is related but when using the same Latin font sometimes I can format "Open Type All Caps" and sometimes it does not work. The font has small caps but sometimes the open type feature is not working ... maybe I have a problem working with Open Type features generally?
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‎Sep 18, 2024
06:17 AM
Thank you @Robert at ID-Tasker , from the screen shot in the article it appears older versions of InDesign do not have the "Size and Position Options" within the Object Style settings. If Size and Position Options can be selected then presumably they could be manipulated through an object find/replace also.
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‎Sep 18, 2024
05:51 AM
Hi,
I am using the Adobe Naskh typeface for setting Arabic script in InDesign CS6 (v.8.0). I am getting instances of the dots being positioned incorrectly.
This is how the script should appear...
The issue can be resolved with the following: by turning off ligatures but this is NOT an acceptable solution because one of the beauties of Adobe Naskh is its use of ligatures.
The position of the dots can also be changed in the language support plugin i.e. changing diacritc position from OpenType to Normal but the positioning becomes even worse!
I am having problems recreating the issue and so I do not know why it is occuring. Things I have tried:
retyping the text
redefining the paragraph style from scratch and removing dependencies on other styles
removing overrides and character styles
pasting text into a new document
removing Latin glyphs
removing punctuation glyphs (e.g. apostrophe, quotation mark, guillmot)
removing footnote markers
changing paragraph and character directions
changing justification type (left, right, full justify...) (standard, Arabic, Naskh)
setting language in Advanced Character Format
increasing leading to give more space on the line
changing kerning method (metrics, optical, none)
So, my best guess is that for some reason the Arabic script rendering engine is trying to compress the script by shifting Open Type diacritics in order to justify the text but when the justification conditions change the engine cannot be always "shaken" into re-rendering the text. I don't know if this theory at all makes sense. Just a guess!
If anybody can throw any light on this problem I would be grateful. Perhaps it is the plugin? Has anybody come accross this problem with different plugins e.g. World Tools, ScribeDOOR? How about in InDesign CC? How about with different typefaces or different languages?
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‎Sep 18, 2024
04:52 AM
Hi, Thank you for the post! I am often finding the need to move text frames on a long document where the margins have been changed or the document wasn't setup properly to begin with (i.e. the master pages) I note a relevant post elsewhere on the forum: How to reposition linked text frames? app.selection[0].move (['105.75mm', '76.754mm']); What would the script be if I wanted to move frames in position [x1, y1] to [x2, y2] AND frames in position [x3, y3] to [x4, y4]? For example, condsider a book document where all the frames are out of position -- the verso frames need to be treated in one way and the recto frames in another. A better solution would be to create an object style and make it the default style for graphics (or text, whichever your pasted objects are). In the object style you set the location, and on pasting the object should be placed correctly. I cannot see "location" in the object styles ... is this a feature available in newer versions of InDesign? The following image shows the Object Styles dialogue in my version. I am using CS6 (InDesign 8.0), Windows 11
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‎May 10, 2023
09:26 AM
Yes, there is an advantage to having a floating dialogue and being able adjust the text. Thank you so much! @m1b script allowing numerical adjustments also has its pros!
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‎May 10, 2023
07:47 AM
The modified version works just fine, thanks a million! If some rainy day it was possible for the script to be written such that its execution invokes e.g. a floating dialogue box with toggle up/down buttons (as pictured in the original post) then please do update the forum!
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‎May 10, 2023
04:35 AM
Thank you so much for the lightning fast response and good effort! I am afraid the script does not work for me. A dialogue opens asking for horizontal adjustment and then vertical adjustment but no change is affected. This is made clear by there being no undo action and no change to the paragraph style indicated.
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‎May 10, 2023
03:18 AM
Any chance this could be written up as a useable script for those of us less acquainted with the arts of coding? Or perhaps there is a script aready available? @ali u maybe you could share the script you wrote with the insight from @Peter Kahrel ? I am still usingInDesign CS6 but I did not purchae the language support plugins when they were available. Now Winsoft, for example, refuse to license ScribeDOOR v.2 as they say they cannot support it. I still have the demo of ScribeDOOR v.2 and another similar plugin installed and they allow the main language support features to be accessed via paragraph/character styles even though the trial period has expired. However, these features cannot be accessed outside of the styles dialogue so ad hoc fine tuning (e.g. for diacritic positioning) is not possible: after the trial period the user interface of these plugins is not accessible. If I could highlight a diacritic, launch a script, and then enter values for the diacritic adjustment my immeiate concern would be addressed.
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