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Brian Stoppee
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Brian Stoppee
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Apr 27, 2018
05:13 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/D+Fosse wrote Actually not "specific" users, but high-end users in general. That's just the way they all do it nowadays. I was thinking about some of the suppliers who are solutions providers for specific needs. By way of example, there was a time when broadcast was adapting to digital storage. As that grew the NAB shows sold massive exhibit floor space to companies which customized solutions based upon some core storage concepts and did things on a MTO (made to order) basis. Those kind of markets are not driven by the latest and greatest from Apple/HP.
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Apr 27, 2018
02:12 AM
Trevor.Dennis wrote Brian you seem to be picking information out of the air to suit your argument. I have no argument to make against the use of custom towers. It's a viable option which fits the needs of specific users.
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Apr 26, 2018
09:48 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/D+Fosse wrote "Apple vs. HP" is the Apple way of thinking.The off-the-shelf pre-packaged product, all wrapped up. You're not even supposed to know what's inside, you just hand it over to the guys in white lab coats if something doesn't work. For the sake of forums like these, we have to keep in mind that a big chuck of Adobe's subscriber base is enterprise users. This includes big corporations (along with big media companies), educational institutions, governments, non-profits, etc, etc.) Their IT people want their users to have something very specific. For many of them, the focus is Apple and HP. Sometimes they are franchise operators where Apple and/or HP is all they are allowed to have. Then there are the enterprise users who buy whatever is the most dirt cheap, minimally specced Dell or Lenovo thing they can find. (We need to make more money so we can hire a white lab coat guy!!!!)
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Apr 26, 2018
09:40 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy wrote An aftermarket custom rig is by far the way to go. Why HP, why Apple… Without a doubt, Janet & I saved a bunch of money in our days of building our own towers for Windows. We would have some compatibility issues from time to time because of a few components we chose. But that was many years ago.
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Apr 25, 2018
10:40 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord wrote AMD has a long term x86 license from Intel. I don't know the details though. I think 64bit instructions on x86 are an AMD thing though, so there's probably cross-licensing involved...? Thank you for that Erik. Janet & I tried to do some quick research on how that works and could not find solid answers. We don't know why such an arrangement with AMD makes sense for Intel. For the kind of things Janet & I do with Windows, we only see HP computers, which probably gives us a very one-sided view of things. So, we only know of AMD microprocessors in the entry level side of things, so we have no contact with that stuff. But that kind of gets back to the discussion of Apple making its own microprocessors for pro-level Macs. There was an interesting (sort of humorous) article I saw on the number of A9 processors needed to equal a Mac Pro 2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache or a HP Z 8 Workstation with 44 cores. It was one of those things where there was a football field-sized analogies. That said, would Intel license Apple to take their top tier technology and create something which would out perform anything Intel could make? There some thinking that it wouldn't harm Intel financially but it would kill their street-cred.
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Apr 25, 2018
05:03 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy wrote I've got it; why not we all switch over to the evil empire! You speak of Windows 10? I kind of like that OS but I know it would require me to invest a ton of time to have expertise with it. However, if I bought a HP tower, it has the same microprocessor as the Mac Pro, so what have I gained?
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Apr 25, 2018
04:59 AM
One of the things Tim Cook does well as Apple's CEO is weigh the financials. He promotes the investment in innovative development, but he knows when to change direction. If (and it's still an "if") Apple is moving forward with their own microprocessor family, it's surely something with major muscle. Maybe there are other partners in such a venture (like HP) which are also held back by Intel's delays. Apple and HP have to be the key drivers for Intel's high end demand.
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Apr 25, 2018
04:46 AM
cmgap wrote ya know, a solid OS rewrite every so often is a really good idea... Well the debacle that they've landed with that is High Sierra one wonders if they've got the talent and skill The pain points of a major OS rewrite are usually on the shoulders of other developers like Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft, and even Apple internally. Remember Apple's push to 64 bit apps? It took them forever to get their own apps there and Final Cut Pro's feature sets never fully evolved.
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Apr 25, 2018
04:43 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord wrote I'm not a core programmer but the rewrite wouldn't be required, if the new chip is still x86, right? Doesn't Intel have a patent on their architecture? I'm not sure how it works when AMD makes x86 microprocessors. Do they license that from Intel?
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Apr 25, 2018
04:39 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Kat+Gilbert wrote Boy, would this set a lot of Mac users back a hundred years or thousands of $$$$! You bring up an interesting point, Kat. If Apple were building their own microprocessors rather than buying them from Intel, would that drive the price downward for the end user?
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Apr 24, 2018
10:35 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord wrote I think it was for 2020, so I guess not in time for this 2019 version, but if the switch is just a year later, would seem silly given Intel's memory limitations to purchase a 2019 Mac Pro at all and just wait for the super version in 2020... The other part which seems silly to me is Apple potentially needing to rewrite chunks of macOS to address a different microprocessor. That doesn't make sense to me. The upside would need to be dramatic to make it worth their while.
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Apr 24, 2018
10:30 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord wrote Saw an article a month or so ago that Apple was going to ditch Intel to move back to their own CPUs. PPC redux? It does read like a return to the Mac's PowerPC days doesn't it? If I were an Apple exec I'd say, "Guys, we've traveled this road before and it didn't take us to a good place."
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Apr 24, 2018
10:06 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord wrote Saw an article a month or so ago that Apple was going to ditch Intel to move back to their own CPUs. There have been a fair number of rumors about Apple doing their own Microprocessor but it seem to become a bit more legitimate once Bloomberg and Forbes reported on the fact that there are such rumors out there. Normally when those companies report on rumors they have some intel which says it's potentially legit. The interesting aspect of Apple leaving Intel is that we tend to think of Apple and HP as monster consumers of Intel products. However, even together, they're not a monster chuck of Intel's revenue stream.
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Apr 24, 2018
04:48 AM
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Here's the full article: https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/05/apples-2019-imac-pro-will-be-shaped-by-workflows/
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Apr 23, 2018
10:52 AM
Yes. Earlier this month Tom Boger, senior director of Mac Hardware Product Marketing, told Tech Crunch, “We want to be transparent and communicate openly with our pro community, so we want them to know that the Mac Pro is a 2019 product. It’s not something for this year.” What’s the important part of that statement? When Tom says, “pro community” he’s not only being transparent about the release time frame, what he’s also saying is, “Are you part of that pro community even if you qualify as a ‘pro’?” There are a limited number of professionals who need that kind of Olympic weight lifting technology muscle. The top tier Apple and HP laptops are not able to host the RAM needs of many professionals because of RAM limit specification of Intel’s microprocessor. So, those current laptop issues open the door for important desktop computing alternatives. But, at some point Intel will solve the laptop RAM issue. It’s worth mentioning that the microprocessors which go into laptop computers, are traditionally not the same as than those brains which go into desktop computers. How much technology weight do we need to be pressing over our Macs’ heads to need this kind of power? Here are a few examples of when our MacBook Pros say. “OUCH!”: Adobe Illustrator: Some AutoCAD users send us huge vector art files. They usually work okay. But, there are times when the projects are so massive that it takes a very long time to scroll around them. There are some very cool things that we love to do in painting with Illustrator. Once those projects become extremely complex (and we love to make them complex) it’s difficult to paint in realtime. When that happens, we have to stop working. Adobe Premier Pro: For the most part, non-linear editing (NLE) is not demanding on a fully loaded MacBook Pro. However, we create many graphics which assist people in the learning process. As we build layer upon layer upon layer, the motion graphics cause long projects to lag. Moving up and down or back and forth through a big timeline hurts. Premier Pro’s monitor panels can become slow to respond, as well. Adobe Photoshop: Oh… where to begin. We go back to Painter 1.0 and our work in pixel art and compositing became something of a signature for us. When Adobe added a paint engine to Photoshop, we could begin to do what we could not accomplish in Painter. However the more layers we add and the great complexity we bring to the table, the more we create a realtime painting issue, similar to what happens in Illustrator. We compound that problem with 3D. That’s not the whole of it. Animating with Adobe After Effects and Adobe Animate has its own set of pain points. Why wait? Why don’t we just buy the current Mac Pro? Have you priced a fully loaded one of those things? There are cars which cost less! We do not know specifically what Apple is waiting for, with the new Mac Pro, but we can see that new big tower development appears to be on hold at HP, as well. So, that tells us its probably all Intel driven.
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Apr 11, 2018
10:51 AM
cmgap wrote 2 - years seems reasonable IMHO. Sites that I create have a refresh option at 18 mos, longer for small business. I'm looking forward to working with Spark Page beta and seeing if that will make sense in some of the small businesses I work with. Janet & I 100% agree. 2 years from now Muse users will have had a chance to transition. We're fascinated by your interest in Spark. Please keep the Adobe Lounge posted on how you are doing
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Apr 11, 2018
08:13 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/John+T+Smith wrote Which now gives Muse users 2 years to find a different way to do web sites The Muse help site says there will be no new features. It would be nice if they could do bug fixes, but fixes sometimes break other things, so maybe its best they don't touch it.
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Apr 10, 2018
11:00 PM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee wrote Adobe will continue to support its very designer-friendly app, for web/mobile projects, into May 2019… In case you have not heard the news, elsewhere, Adobe will now support Muse through March 2020.
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Apr 08, 2018
06:46 PM
cmgap wrote While it would be nice to think that my Muse sites will last forever the truth is they will need to be refreshed, updated, redesigned in the natural order of web design. Static sites turned into ecommerce sites, ecommerce sites turned into responsive sites etc. Admittedly, it's been a little while since I checked out a variety of Muse projects which made me think, "Wished I thought of that!" The majority of one I appreciated were static sites for mom & pop businesses who just needed a web presence. Visually. some of my favorites really rocked. I never heard anyone say, "I lost a client today who is selling bunches of stuff online, now?" But they may have happened. I recall seeing some visual excitement for a little bed & breakfast and a little restaurant kind of thing. Better than ten years ago a one person, high dollar estate real estate agent talked to us about a website. We took his through all the possibilities and turned him off to doing anything. A few years later, I saw a Muse site for a similar real estate agency. It was pretty clumsy. So, your point is well-taken. So, some Muse projects do make me think, "How do these things move forward?" My only answer is, "They don't." The graphics might change out or more content gets added but many of them don't become robust active websites. (Just a guess).
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Apr 08, 2018
06:13 PM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote Adobe's direction is Cloud Experience and marketing. You don't feel Adobe's direction has anything to do with Creative Cloud and Document Cloud?
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Apr 08, 2018
12:14 PM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote As I see it, there are only 3 options. 1) Keep using Muse. 2) Commit to learning code basics & working with native HTML files. 3) Start over with another web design app. You do not see Adobe resolving the issue they created?
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Apr 07, 2018
10:34 PM
Ussnorway wrote The capital market is a good way to legally steal from people Pardon?
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Apr 06, 2018
06:54 PM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote Seriously? If a Muser or anyone else has zero capabilities with code, they probably should NOT be creating websites for profit. Instead, hand off the artwork to a skilled developer who can fix problems and add new features when the client requests them. I have interacted with many Muse subscribers who tell me they have hundreds of paying clients and do no coding. https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote There are too many competing options out there. Why should Adobe amp up to reinvent the wheel when they don't have to? So what options have you found for them which allow them to take the work of those paying clients and continue it without the need to start over?
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Apr 06, 2018
01:28 PM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote If non-coders want to jump from the frying pan into the fire with click & drag ease in a locked eco-system, they have several options to choose from -- each with various pros & cons. Which options do you feel are best for Muse users who have zero capabilities with coding, which allow them to migrate their Muse projects without the need to recreate them?
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Apr 06, 2018
11:27 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote Exporting MU projects to native HTML, CSS and JavaScript files allows Musers to take projects to other code editors. Correct. That's an option. Do you know many users of Muse who work in code? If so, do they like working in the code Muse generates? In all of your exploration of the links you shared, do many of the current Muse subscribers find the code editor solution to be the option they desire?
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Apr 06, 2018
10:47 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote There are too many competing options out there. Why should Adobe amp up to reinvent the wheel when they don't have to? I have not found the option which allows Muse users to take existing Muse projects and continue working on the sites the users of Muse have already created. Could you please direct us to the link which opens Muse projects in the Muse format? That sounds like an ideal solution for the users of Muse who need to continue to support their clients but cannot afford to lose all the time of starting over.
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Apr 06, 2018
10:26 AM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote Muse and Business Catalyst alternatives are being discussed and compared at length in the product forums. Thank you for these links. Some of them we've read and others we must investigate,
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Apr 06, 2018
01:11 AM
Ussnorway wrote why do you feel this thread belongs here and not in the Muse forum? Please see the reply to Nancy OShea when she asked that question. Thanks.
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Apr 05, 2018
10:22 PM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/John+T+Smith wrote I had MS Office 97 that worked great on WinXP... but when I moved to a Win7 computer it wouldn't work... wouldn't even install So I had to buy a new MS Office, since Microsoft would not update the old version to run on their new operating system It is a different story. Microsoft provided an upgrade path and all your Word, Excel, and PowerPoint projects were accessible with the upgrade, correct? In this case, there's no where to go with a Muse project. That's why Janet & I were pondering ways Adobe could migrate Muse users to other Adobe CC apps. We hope the executive suite is listening.
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Apr 05, 2018
06:54 PM
https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea wrote BTW Brian, why is this discussion in the Lounge? Shouldn't it be moved to Help with using Adobe Muse CC ? Janet & I enjoy putting things in the Lounge, especially when discussions involve multiple apps. But, we never know where things will go, here. That makes it fun.
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