James, what mobo? ... View more

But at least 4 months down the road while clients are tapping the pencil on the desk..... And I know how long it takes to get some tasks done in software. The vast majority of the time we only have management to mollify when the schedule slips, but customers and their clients? At $$$$/hr? ... View more

How about 1K for a cpu? ... View more

The upgrades are going away? ... View more

Real bummer, Chris. Those details.... ... View more

Chris, I would expect that during dev, you have debug log files enabled in several places in the system. Is it possible for the user to enable that logging and send the files to you? Second, how about a bug reporting tool, customized for your needs from a source like Bugzilla? Debug log files, screen shots etc properly can be inserted there. ... View more

Right. But they are isues pertinent to the HW/SW/FW combinations on that particular computer. I installed on three: one had a major problem, one ran without 3D capability, the third ran marvelously. The first one is a AMD macchine, several years old with a PCI card. The second, a Dell workstation. The third, an Intel i7 machine with nVidia 7 series PCIe cards. Any one of three versions. Take your pick. In the best of worlds, an app would simply run. But we aren't there yet. :-( ... View more

Cripes Chris, if they cannot get serious about a lab finding problems, who can they believe? If your lab is like mine, a sighting doesn't become a bug until it can be replicated, and the more systems that show it the better. ... View more

Chipset drivers, BIOS updates? ... View more

This sux! ... View more

You need more than opinions to make it safely to the end of the trail, Charley. ... View more

I suspect that if one runs CS4 on Vista 64, running an Intel Nehalem processor on a good x58 board, most problems will go away, but not all. I know that manufacturing techniques follow the basic pattern establishing interchangeability of components, which ought to lead to units that run within spec, but it seems to me that we are almost back in the handmade age, where each production was unique. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Adobe sees problems at the deep level that we will never observe ourselves. That is, it ain't perfect by a long shot! It is my opinion that Adobe seriously needs two things: Structured Exception Handling reports at the user level A formal bug tracking system to which we can contribute such as Bugzilla. ... View more

Same here. I migrated to fanless, big heat sink video cards for that reason. ... View more

You really have to be careful over starting and stopping Services. There are dependencies involved (what starts and when) in the mix, as well as overall timing issues, (exacerbated in Vista, BTW). Some services start before the GUI and some run whether or not the GUi is actually running. ... View more

i they rarely give us details about their bugs implying that they are released buggy? Or is it only buggy now that CS4 is out? ... View more

placebo? ... View more

i The latter seem to regard the former as whining morons who are obviously doing all sorts of things wrong. Not all of us! :-) ... View more

dave, at work we do not use drivers from the video card for either, and I have to say that the behavior of the LCD on generics is better than crts on generics. Both are perfectly adequate for our needs, but the range of options in generic on crts don't meet my needs in graphics. That has been a subject of interest some years back when crts ruled. I distinctly recall that when faced with generics vs drivers with the GUI for the card included, the advice was to only D/L the drivers. The generics were insufficient then, why are they sufficient now? Maybe you are thinking of generics for the monitor. ... View more

Well, maybe for LCD, but for crts, generic drivers are good only for getting something on screen. For all the others, avoid even opening the tabs leading to their gui, and if you do, don't touch a thing! Gettcha every time. :-( ... View more

Right on, dave! :-) ... View more

With XP, when the first bootup after instal occurs, the mouse will freeze on the log in page until the initial configuration is finished. First time I saw that I freaked! It can take a while, which is why I became concerned. ... View more

I have seen that unresponsive mouse at a number of places where a big transition is occurring. During bootup comes to mind, that the mouse will pause for short periods while the process finishes. ... View more

I know that suppliers like Autocad do not feature Open Gl any more. Maybe they know something. It is in Adobe's interest, imo, to provide as seamless an install and operating experience they can to their users. ... View more

Well, Open GL is free, and free is a very good price!:D ... View more

Well, that's what THEY say! ... View more

Talking with other programmers who work with major 3D presentations, I get the message that Open GL is the disaster. They much prefer DirectX. It puts MS in the business of validating cards, not the program suppliers. I would not have thought MS could be more reliable, but Autocad appears to prefer DirectX and eschews Open GL at the moment. ... View more

Resolution is no problem on the i7 system either. I was limited to 6G of ram by availability and PS took about 4G. I did have to use scratch on a 280M file for Smart sharpen. Took 14+ sec to sharpen, on either standard HD or SSD. I wouldn't spring for one of those. But my home system, well the less said the better at this point. Working the percentages has it's value, but the fact that Adobe was looking for a local system that is afflicted as well as supplying specialty builds means the problem is endemic and needs a solution. We don't know of major users buying multiple licenses experience. The i7 was a lean machine. My home machine, while not bloated, is carrying a fair number of programs and app, plus the usual files for favorites, My docs etc. Then, there is the difference between XP and Vista on how they start services. That makes a big difference to startups. ... View more

There is also the specter that people are having similar problems but don't realize it is a problem or don't care. ... View more

Intel i7 on an Intel board. Fast and pretty instantaneous. ... View more