4k editing without proxies on this laptop?

Thanks a lot guys. Very helpful info. I guess there are few questions left then.

If if I edit in proxies while  will be transcoding to proxy will I be able to edit? And how long roughly will it take to make the proxy for let's say 1 hour of footage?

if it takes 1x for the clip to render without effects and color grading and titles and such then how long would you assume that it will take with all the aforementioned additions?

Will i I be able to use the laptop in youtube and wordpres and word while it renders or will it be quite laggy becuase of the rendering?

Thank you guys. You are really helping me here.

Thank you everybody. So the processor being a quad core with hyperthread is ok?

So my questions is...will that laptop edit smoothly without the need for proxies if i use an external ssd for the raw files? Is the existing processor, memory card and ram enough for a smooth experience? And very importantly, a two hour average project (few titles, color grading, no more than a few 3D animations and 3d titles) how long is it going to take to export In hd. 4k will be the input files but will export in hd. Roughly the duration becuase I know that is higky different from project to project. Just an estimate. From x hours to x hours.

Thanks so much everyone. 

I just looked at that laptop, and if one looks at the specs it actually has an i7-7700HQ quad-core CPU, not an i7-7600U dual-core CPU. Unfortunately, that laptop might not have an m.2 PCIe slot for any faster SSDs, and the apparently sole SATA 6.0 Gbps connection is occupied by that hybrid drive which consists of a relatively slow SSD and a very typical 5400 RPM hard drive. That's not going to be anywhere near enough for proxy-less 4K editing, and with the as-purchased disk configuration it is barely sufficient for even 1080p.

Bill is the expert on hardware in real-world tested work with PrPro. And he's got a solid direct answer for you.

The nature of your question makes me wonder if you understand much about the media and the hardware, and how an NLE is not even comparable to a video player.

What cameras will you be using? Nearly all DSLR/Mirror-less cameras and many of the "only a few thousand USD" cameras record to what's called long-GOP interframe codecs ... the mov & mp4 set. Most AVCHD also as I understand that implementation. It's a very effective way to get a lot of data recorded to the camera card.

It uses I-frames along with p and b frames. I frames are actually complete image frames, p frames are only a data-set of the pixels that have changed from the last frame, and b frames are mixed pixel sets of the data that's changed from the previous frame, AND that is changed from the next frame also. Typically it's set for between 9 and 14 frames in between I frames.

Your CPU takes the first I frame, de-compresses it, passes it along and stores it to RAM. Calls up the data set from the matrix for the next frame ... recalls the image from RAM, computes changes, creates that complete frame, passes it along & stores to RAM. That's with p frames, with the b frames, it has to have both the frame before AND the frame after for comparison/computation.

This process is incredibly intensive for the CPU/RAM, cores & threads subsystems. It's bad enough in 1920x1080, but in 4K, this throws a ton of work on the CPU just for playback.

An NLE like PrPro has a ton more going on besides playback, so that's where the difference between a player and NLE comes in. Players only need get enough image buffered into RAM to play back smoothly. NLE's have to do that ... plus all the vastly greater work of assembling a video from bits & pieces of clips all over a computer, apply effects, speed-ramps, color changes, all of that ... audio changes also ... and you want that played back in real-time while you're editing.

That's a very hard order for a well-designed desktop computer, and as Bill says, that laptop won't even come close.

That's where the use of proxies come in ... and unfortunately, most new to the craft think the file size of the proxies is what helps ... which is wrong. It's the codec type & settings of the proxies that matters. You need an intraframe codec like Cineform. The built in Cineform proxy presets work very well ... use one maybe 1/4 resolution of your original media by frame-size. They will work for editing purposes "like butter" as another regular on here says. But they will take some space, hence Bill's comment about multiple and very specific SSD drives via USB3.

And don't even think about trying 4k with a two-core CPU. Also, with cores, "logical" cores don't actually matter, only the number of physical (real) cores ... counts.

Neil

Moved to the Hardware Forum.

I would go with a Dell XPS 9550 or 9560 instead. Quad core i7, wide-gamut 4K display, lots of memory and storage options. If you're patient you can get an open-box 9550 with 32GB memory/1TB SSD from B&H for $1400.

I doubt very much success with any hard disk drive for your projects and media,  You really need two SATA III SSD's or one super speed M2. PCIe x4 SSD  

That i7-7600U processor is only 2-cores and is totally inadequate for 4K