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Haswell E benchmarks

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September 2, 2014
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Hello all. It's is once again time for some benchmarks with the new release. I will also include the previous X79 4930K clocked at 4.4GHz and Dual Xeon 10 Core as reference to these. I will add them as I get them done. Please let me know if you have any questions.

5960X @ 3.5GHz

64GB DDR4 2400

1TB Crucial M550 SSD

780Ti

AVCHD 4 Layer 30 Minute test

Adobe CC2014

3 Layer - 14:35 (Match Source selected)

3 Layer - 28:57 (HDTV 1080P 23.976)

4 Layer – 16:01 (Match Source selected)

4 Layer - 31:37 (HDTV 1080P 23.976)

Red 4K to DPX 4096 x 2048 24p Full Range (max bit depth) 30 seconds of media

3 Layer - 2:08

4 layer - 2:08

Red 5K 98 Frame to DPX 5K 23.976 slow motion Frame Full Range (max bit depth) 30 seconds of media

1 Layer - 2:12

Red 6K to DPX 6K (max bit depth) 20 seconds of media

1 Layer - 1:31

Red 4K to H264 4K 30 seconds of media

4 layer - :50(Match Sequence H264)

DNG 2.4K to H264 2.4K 26 seconds of media

1 Layer - :15

AE CC 2014

Red 4K to AVI Lossless 4k 30 seconds of media

1 Layer: 2:19

5960X @ 4.5GHz

64GB DDR4 2400

1TB Crucial M550 SSD

780Ti

AVCHD 4 Layer 30 Minute test

Adobe CC2014

3 Layer - 11:36 (Match Source selected)

3 Layer - 22:54 (HDTV 1080P 23.976)

4 Layer – 12:48 (Match Source selected)

4 Layer - 24:58 (HDTV 1080P 23.976)

Red 4K to DPX 4096 x 2048 24p Full Range (max bit depth) 30 seconds of media

3 Layer - 1:54

4 layer - 1:58

Red 5K 98 Frame to DPX 5K 24 Frame slow motion Frame Full Range (max bit depth) 30 seconds of media

1 Layer - 1:58

Red 5K 98 Frame to DNxHD 1080 23.978 36 OP1A Frame 30 seconds of media

1 Layer - :12

Red 5K 98 Frame to DNxHD 440X 1080P 60 frame OP1A Frame 30 seconds of media

1 Layer - :14

Red 6K to DPX 6K (max bit depth) 20 seconds of media

1 Layer - 1:21

Red 4K to H264 4K 30 seconds of media

4 layer - :49(Match Sequence H264)

DNG 2.4K to H264 2.4K 26 seconds of media

1 Layer - :13

AE CC 2014

Red 4K to AVI Lossless 4k 30 seconds of media

1 Layer: 1:59

The playback and export performance currently with CC 2014 is now relatively consistent. The CPU threading was across all 16 threads both on playback and export now. The GPU load consistently pushed up to 90 to 98% when the benchmark tests included GPU accelerated plugins and scaling of multiple layers. The overall efficiency is far better which is why I didnt put notes after each test. The 8 Core clocked at both 3.5GHz and 4.5GHz played back 4K, 5K 98 frame (both 24 and 60 frame playback), and even 6K at full resolution playback without dropping frames. The 5K playback was smooth regardless of slow motion or full motion preview setup. The increased bandwidth and speed of the ram is definitely having an impact there. The ram usage was as high as 30GB in Premiere for the testing but AE went well over 46GB on export. GPU ram usage pushed 2.5GB on the 3GB card with 4K+ media in Premiere but normally used around 1GB for 1080. I also included some request DNxHD OP1A exports from 5K media as a comparison of media timeframe to encoding time for off line. I will be testing the 6 Core 5960K after I do some testing with the ram at stock 2133.

Eric

ADK

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Toy Ray Gun

Participant

Eric, have you benchmarked the 5930K yet? Do you think the 5960X is worth the additional $500 over the 5930K?

ECBowenAuthor

Inspiring

Yes without question the 5960X is worth the price. Greater cores and cache at the same GHz. Can you get by with the 5930K, yes. However the performance and especially the workflow capability expands with the 5960X above 1080 by far.

Eric

ADK

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John_Fletc

Participating Frequently

Thanks for this great thread !!

I'd like to build a dedicated workstation for R3D 4K/5K/6K works

(Premiere, After Effects, Fusion, Resolve...) with inside :

- mobo / ASUS Rampage V (for stable overclocking)

- CPU / Intel i7-5960X (at 4,5GHz if possible !)

- cooling / Corsair H110 /or Nzxt Kraken x61 /or Noctua NH-D14 / or Noctua NH-D15

- power / Corsair AX1200i

- PCI 16x slot / Gigabyte GTX Titan Black Windforce (factory OC, with 3x fan cooling)

- PCI 8x slot / BMC Decklink Mini Monitor /or Decklink SDI 4K (for grading)

- PCI 8x slot / ThunderboltEX II (for Thunderbolt backup drives)

- PCI 8X slot / RAID card (for 3x dual Barracuda RAID0)

- OS drive (Windows 7) / M.2 drive (don't know yet which one to get)

- project drive / Samsung SSD 840 Pro 256GB

- scratch drive / Samsung SSD 840 Pro 512GB

- media drive / 6x Seagate Barracuda 7200 3TB

- case / Corsair Vengeance C70

Now, with all those informations, my question is about the RAM...

to get the best performances with Haswell-E, do we absolutely need a 64GB kit, or can we take 2x kit of 32GB ?

I read somewhere we can't absolutely be sure that 2x "identical" kit are really... identical !!

And for a better CPU overclocking, it's sometimes good to also overclock slightly the RAM, right ?

So, do I better get 64GB kit of Corsair Vengeance 2133 / 13-15-15-28 (1100€)

or 2x 32GB kit of G.Skill Ripjaws4 2400 / 15-15-15-35 (1000€) ?

And, last question, for video editing, is there a significant difference between 2400 and 2666 ?

(Because, for 1200€, I saw 2x 32GB kit of G.Skill Ripjaws4 2666 / 15-15-15-35...)

Thanks !

ECBowenAuthor

Inspiring

11/24/2014

Well essentially all your standard ram manufacturers bid on chips in the East based on market availability and pricing. Grade level is a major factor on both of those. Often times the Dram manufacturers change chip manufacturers from 1 production run to the next due to that fluctuation. So when you buy 2 kits they may or may not be the same chips or production. Also they may be different grade levels even if they are the same manufacturer depending on how the availability was at that time and the speed they are built for. I would not however suggest any sticks that are not CL 15. I would also suggest getting the Gskill versus the Corsair but I wont get into why in a public forum. Lets just say you want to avoid the timings that are different like those 13 15 15. 2666+ ram will be the higher grade ram. That is what I suggest and the Gskill has the same latency regardless of 2400 versus 2666. The performance is worth the price difference.

Eric
ADK

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John_Fletc

Participating Frequently

Thanks Eric !

So, based on your recommendations (no multiple kits / no mixed timing), I only found those 64GB kits :

GEIL / EVO Potenza / 2133Mhz / 15-15-15-36 / 1.2V

GEIL / EVO Potenza / 2400Mhz / 15-15-15-35 / 1.2V

GEIL / EVO Potenza / 2666Mhz / 15-15-15-36 / 1.2V

GEIL / EVO Potenza / 2800Mhz / 16-16-16-36 / 1.2V

GEIL / EVO Potenza / 3000Mhz / 15-15-15-35 / 1.35V

GEIL / EVO Potenza / 3000Mhz / 16-16-16-36 / 1.35V

GEIL / EVO Potenza / 3200Mhz / 16-16-16-36 / 1.35V

But, I don't know if GEIL is a quality brand (in my case it's not on the QVL for the RAMPAGE V),

and for the others 64GB kits, there is only mixed timing, even for G.Skill :

CORSAIR / Dominator Platinum / 2400Mhz / 14-16-16-31 / 1.2V

CORSAIR / Dominator Platinum (with fan) / 2666Mhz / 15-17-17-35 / 1.2V

CORSAIR / Vengeance LPX / 2400Mhz / 14-16-16-31 / 1.2V

G.SKILL / Ripjaws 4 / 2800Mhz / 15-16-16-35-2N / 1.25V

So, if GEIL is not a good option, there will be no other way than to go with mixed timing kits...

But on the CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 2400Mhz, the base timing is 15-15-15-36 at 2133Mhz,

(and I think it's maybe the same with the 2800Mhz G.Skill, which is surely just an OC from 2666Mhz 15-15-15-35)

so don't you think it's possible to set the timing in a good way, even if it's lower the Mhz ??

If possible, could you tell us which kit of RAM did you used for your test ?

zuzullo

Participating Frequently

Our Haswell-E 5930K is NOT being used fully when exporting from Premiere latest version. Anyone knows why? Any tips?
Our older Haswell 4770K gets its cores at 100% and finishes faster... Why?

Bill Gehrke

Inspiring

Register and run our Premiere Pro BenchMark at PPBM7.com

alexdejesus

Inspiring

Bill Gehrke wrote:

Register and run our Premiere Pro BenchMark at PPBM7.com

Bill, that link is the CS6 Benchmark. Where is the latest stuff?@

And, not to sound unappreciative, but is Eric the only person benchmarking anything around here now? Wasn't there a whole crew of you at one point? What happened the PPBM7 and 8 sites and Tweakers page that I paid a subscription for? Why is there no information on it? Where's Harm?

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Participating Frequently

How useful is the "switching" feature of the x99 E-WS -- is it worth that $100 premium over the Deluxe? Is it even a good thing at all? Bill Gehrke writes "the ASUS X99-E WS with more lanes than normal has more latency than a dual Xeon because those lanes are created by adding third part PCI-e chips. A small price to pay for a much reduced cost..." -- referring to a dual Xeon system, wouldn't we all like one of this. Eric Bowen, I have the impression, is a little less enthusiastic.

From over there in Britain, system builder Adam Simmons writes (in a BlackMagic forum): "I disagree about the WS board being the best for video editing. The board is being overloaded. All those PCI-e slots only have a finite amount of buslanes to push through and to manage that they use switchers, which are mostly fine for GPU's, but when trying to use the bandwidth for capturing can cause it to drop out. You're better off saving the money and buying a cheaper board that doesn't try to overload the bus lanes (as that seems to be the only real extra on the WS board compared to much cheaper boards)..."

As I understand it these two PLX chips is it? offer real-time flexibility by reassigning lanes to the busiest devices (when the installed PCIe total exceeds 40 lanes) as opposed to these allocations being fixed when cards are installed.

I can imagine say 2 16x GPUs and a Decklink 4k Extreme (8x), which fills the bucket, plus maybe a hardware RAID controller (8x), and or later an NVME controller and who knows what else, I realize there are limits though I keep imagining jamming everything within reach into the PCIe region, with a mallet, if need be...

So the question: will E-WS help? Can its evils be contained?

S

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Participating Frequently

Anyone?

ECBowenAuthor

Inspiring

Every single CPU board will have a more limited total throughput versus a dual socket board to push all of the PCI-E traffic through. However running the 8X cards you mentioned should be fine either on the WS or the Deluxe. The Deluxe board so far is more stable for clocking ram higher. Keep in mind the board dynamically assigns bandwidth away from onboard devices as well when using more bandwidth for slots. If those onboard devices are not utilized to their extent then you wont notice a performance drop at the PCI-E slots.

Eric

ADK

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Participating Frequently

On the subject of x99 E WS: the chipset supports memory density of 512G across the 8 slots. Currently only 8 x 8 are enabled, for a total of 64. Can upgrades to the current board -- say to 16 or 32 or even 64G per stick -- be made available by firmware updates, or is some hardware change required?

ECBowenAuthor

Inspiring

Yes provided the ram controller in the CPU supports the greater density of ram as well. That is also part of the equation now since Intel moved the ram controllers to the CPU's.

Eric

ADK

S

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Participating Frequently

Thanks Eric

alexdejesus

Inspiring

Great info! But are you going to tell us which motherboard all this is sitting on?

ECBowenAuthor

Inspiring

Testing is now done on the Asus X99 Deluxe

No I still think the 980GTX cards are the way to go specially with the lower power and heat besides the HDMi 2.0. Keep in mind there will be replacement 900 series for the Titan relatively soon I am sure. That series is way to hot for Nvidia to sit to long without it.

Eric

ADK

kgyalla

Participant

I am currently doing a purchase with origin, in which their single titan z offering is almost the same price as their sli 980 combo. Regardless of price, wouldn't the additional cuda core count and extra vram help?

Kris

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Palanza87

Participant

So the biggest question now remains.. new computer or do I put that supercharger on my mustang. Decisions Decisions.

ECBowenAuthor

Inspiring

Reference benchmarks:

4930K @ 4.4GHz

64GB DDR3 1600

1TB Crucial M550 SSD

780Ti

AVCHD 4 Layer 30 Minute test

3 Layer - 16:33 (Match Source selected)

3 Layer - 25:32 (HDTV 1080P 23.976)

4 Layer - 28:04 (HDTV 1080P 23.976)

4 Layer – 18:58 (Match Source selected)

Red 4K to DPX 4096 x 2048 24p Full Range (max bit depth) 30 seconds of media

3 Layer - 2:05

4 layer - 2:06

Realtime Playback 4K Full Res smooth without dropping frames

CPU threaded well for export after clearing cache by switching from Hardware MPE to Software MPE and back again before linking to AME. Realtime Playback threaded ideally.

Average GPU load 35%

Red 6K to DPX 6K (max bit depth) 20 seconds of media

1 Layer - 1:43

Realtime Playback 6K Full Res smooth without dropping frames.

CPU threaded well for export after clearing cache by switching from Hardware MPE to Software MPE and back again before linking to AME. Realtime Playback threaded ideally.

Average GPU load 15%

Red 4K to H264 4K 30 seconds of media

4 layer - :52 (Match Sequence H264)

CPU Threads very well on export. GPU load peaking at 99% consistantly.

DNG 2.4K to H264 2.4K 26 seconds of media

1 Layer - :21

CPU threads very well on export.

Red 4K to Cineform 4K Film Scan 1 30 seconds of media

4 Layer - 5:44

CPU Threads poorly

AE CC 2014

Red 4K to AVI Lossless 4k 30 seconds of media

1 Layer: 2:51

CPU Threads very well on Export. Ram Preview used 45GB of ram 3x at full res

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2x Xeon E5 2690 V2 CPU's @ 3GHz

128GB DDR3 1600

1TB Crucial M550 SSD

780Ti

AVCHD 4 Layer 30 Minute test

3 Layer - 29:29

4 Layer – 31:21

Red 4K to DPX 4096 x 2048 24p Full Range (max bit depth) 30 seconds of media

3 Layer - 3:20

4 layer - 3:20

Realtime Playback 4K Full Res smooth without dropping frames.

Poor CPU Threaded on export but not playback

Average GPU load 50%

Max GPU load 99%

Red 6K to DPX 6K (max bit depth) 20 seconds of media

1 Layer - 2:29

Realtime Playback 6K Full Res smooth without dropping frames.

Poor CPU Threaded on export but not playback

Average GPU load 40%

Max GPU load 99%

2x 780Ti GPU's

AVCHD 4 Layer 30 Minute test

3 Layer - 29:59

4 Layer – 32:05

Red 4K to DPX 4096 x 2048 24p Full Range (max bit depth) 30 seconds of media

3 Layer - 3:39

4 layer - 3:30

Red 6K to DPX 6K (max bit depth) 20 seconds of media

1 Layer - 2:51

Red 4K to Pro Res 4444 via Cinemartin PLIN Gold 30 seconds of media

4 layer - 3:40 + 1 min to 2min Render time in Premiere

2x Xeon E5 2690 V2 CPU's @ 3GHz

128GB DDR3 1600

1TB Crucial M550 SSD

780Ti

DNG 2.4K to H264 2.4K 26 seconds of media

1 Layer - :19

CPU threads very well on export.

Red 4K to H264 4K 30 seconds of media

4 layer - 1:14

CPU Threads very well on export

Red 4K to Cineform 4K Film Scan 1 30 seconds of media

4 Layer - 5:55

CPU Threads poorly

AE CC 2014

Red 4K to AVI Lossless 4k 30 seconds of media

1 Layer: 2:32

CPU Threads very well on Export. Ram Preview used 99GB of ram at full res

ECBowenAuthor

Inspiring

Submitted the PPBM7 benchmark as well. Hopefully they have it posted soon. Just used the same setup as used for the ADK benchmarks. The boss overruled me on the ram speed testing. Have to bench and test the 5930K first. Will submit those when done.

Eric

ADK

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