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Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get

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September 15, 2016
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Hi,

Last year I built a new system for editing 1080p video using Premier Pro & Encore CS6 as follows

gigabyte ga-b85m-ds3h-a

intel i7-4790k 4GHz

16GB ddr3 1333MHz

Corsair cx v2 500w psu

Onboard Intel 5000 graphics 1GB

It is not overclocked, I have tried changing it in the BIOS to 4.2 or 4.3GHz but it still stays at 4GHz, is this some weird motherboard issue?

But it is actually rendering slightly slower than the older i7 we have

i7-3770 3.4GHz

16GB DDR3

Nvidia GT640 2GB graphics card

So the only real difference is the graphics card, but will that old graphics card really make any difference?

But coming onto the main question, what graphics card should I get for the i7-4790k machine that will have the most impact without spending a fortune? Also I'm guessing it will need a new power supply as well

Would we see better performance if we upgraded to CC2015? If so would that need a different graphics card?

Thanks for any info or recommendations

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bobj82408811Author

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Hi,

Thanks for for the links I'm going through them now

PC setups

older i7

2 * 500GB hard drives, one for OS programs & the raw files from the camera and one for renders

newer i7

120GB SSD for OS & programs

1TB hard drive

I'm not totally sure of the setup on this one, but I think the raw files are saved to the hard drive and the renders are also outputted to the hard drive as well

Could this be what is slowing it down?

Bill Gehrke

Inspiring

Well almost anytime you are using hard disk drives you probably are being slowed down soon or later. In the old days my now deceased Harm recommended 5 hard disk drives but today with 3-4 times the speeds of even SATA III (6Gbits/second interface) SSD's and even better yet the newer M.2 PCIe Gen3 x4 SSD's that are 10 or more times faster the whole storage situation has change drastically. Oh and then there is a new class of external/portable SSD's that have changed the workflow of many including me. This is the Samsung T3 (or older Ti) if you have a USB3 port on that computer.

What motherboard or computer do you have?

bobj82408811Author

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gigabyte ga-b85m-ds3h-a

Bill Gehrke

Inspiring

I highly recommend for a cost sensitive requirement a look at the GTX 1060 my personal choice is the EVGA 06G-P4-6163-KR which EVGA Lists for $259 but because it is short supply I have seen advertised for $539! My $259 card works great and with slight overclocking is slightly faster than my GTX 970.

Interesting if you are using CS6 and want to add it to the list you might check and notice gpusniffer where it is listed as a GeForce GTX 1060 6GB for the listed EVGA card, I imagine that a 3GB version would be listed appropriately as GeForce GTX 1060 3GB.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

People often look at the "guts" of their computer build, and forget the REST of the computer has a large effect on performance also. Which is why John sent you to look at the 'balanced build' info page.

Note ... this includes having fast enough drives to handle the massive amount of constant in/out data movement. Typical "old" style construction like my rig use up to eight drives with internal-speed connections to spread out OS/programs; PrPro's media cache & cache database; project files; previews; media; and exports onto different drives. Mine even uses a twin-SSD RAID 0 for the system/C drive.

With the m.2, NVMe, and super-fact USB3 connected Samsung T1/3 drives available, that's changing. Fewer drives (if more costly) can be built on new motherboards designed to utilize these things that actually deliver better performance with 4k & up media.

So ... your computer specs were rather incomplete for the total picture of PrPro performance. That right there could be the cause of a substantial difference between the two rigs you've got if they're setup differently for drives. Or not ... we don't know.

And for the things that DO use the GPU, like re-scaling, Warp Stabilizer and such, that on-board GPU ... is useless. Totally.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

bobj82408811Author

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Some more info, I wasnt aware of before, sorry for the continual updates, I dont do the editing I'm just the computer guy

They edit the HD footage in Premier Pro and then export it to Encore which then converts it to DVD format with menus

I read through a lot of that and it says that the GPU will be used when scaling from one size to another, so "Hardware MPE" will help??

What is Hardware MPE? Is that cuda? Or does it just mean a graphics card?

With this system the table recommends a GTX640 - GTX650Ti but they are no longer available where I live, its the 700 series upwards only, GT730, GT740 or GTX750Ti. I presume the GT740 is the newer equivalent of the GTX640?

Which one will speed up scaling from HD to SD with Encore the best?

On this page here - Adobe Premiere Video Cards Benchmark Project vs. a Real Premiere Project- Written by David Knarr a discrete GPU really helped a "direct export to MPEG2 DVD" but is that the same as using Encore and will it have the same effect?

If I get a new SSD/HDD it will be an internal one as they have no need for portability

Thanks

RoninEdits

Inspiring

Well I've found out why the 4790k is going slower, as soon as I started the render the temperatures ramped up to 90C+ and the CPU was throttled back to 3.7GHz.

It has the standard Intel heatsink and fan fitted that it came with, but I cant believe Intel have supplied a fan that doesnt let the CPU run to its full potential, must be somethign wrong there!!

Ive reapplied some new thermal paste but it still does the same when I max out the CPU with prime95, seems rather weird to me, I've never had this problem with a stock HS & fan before

Also on the 3770 I enabled the cuda and it took about twice as long to export to MPEG2 DVD than it did without it enabled.

Without cuda enabled GPU was at 20% (always seemed to be at that when Premier Pro was open) and CPU at 100%

With cuda enabled GPU was at 100% but CPU dropped to around 40-60%

the 4790k has a 95w tdp. the new 95w unlocked cpu's don't even come with the intel heatsink anymore. i think the intel heatsink can work if the case airflow is high enough, but the intel heatsink is a poor heatsink and its best to replace it with a better/larger cooler. noctua and cryorig 120/140mm are decent coolers that have quiet fans. if the computer only has one case fan, you could try adding another.

i'm not sure whats going on with the 3770 and mpeg2 encode. if i were to guess, i'd say with cuda enabled premiere is trying to use the gt 640 to encode mpeg2 and maxes it at 100%, and since its a weak gpu its actually slower than having the cpu handle the encoding. that would also explain why the cpu usage is lower as its doesn't have as much work to do, its mostly waiting on the gpu to encode the video.

John T Smith

Community Expert

First, read the BALANCED article at Tweakers Page

Not everything uses CUDA... read this

http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/cuda-mercury-playback-engine-and-adobe-premiere-pro.html

If your nVidia card has at least 1Gig of video ram, use the nVidia Hack http://forums.adobe.com/thread/629557 - which is a simple entry in a "supported cards" file... this is for CS6 and CS5, the file is not used by PPro Cloud

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