RADEON VII Card not recommended for Adobe Premiere???

Report · Mar 04, 2020

If this is True...

The how come the card is not even on the recommended list?

NVIDIA Quadro RTX 8000
NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000
NVIDIA Quadro RTX 5000
NVIDIA Quadro RTX 4000
NVIDIA Quadro GV100
NVIDIA Quadro GP100
NVIDIA Quadro P6000
NVIDIA Quadro P5200
NVIDIA Quadro P5000
NVIDIA Quadro P4000
NVIDIA Quadro P2000
NVIDIA Quadro P2200
NVIDIA Quadro P1000
NVIDIA Quadro M6000
NVIDIA Quadro M5000
NVIDIA Quadro M4000
NVIDIA Quadro M2000
NVIDIA Quadro K6000
NVIDIA Quadro K5200
NVIDIA Quadro K5000
NVIDIA Quadro K2000
NVIDIA Quadro K1200
NVIDIA TITAN RTX
NVIDIA TITAN V
NVIDIA TITAN XP
NVIDIA TITAN X (Pascal)
NVIDIA TITAN Z
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970

NVIDIA has publicly released windows ODE drivers that support the CUDA 9.2 SDK used in the latest release of Premiere Pro. This is not the Microsoft default driver, but you can download this driver directly from NVIDIA, (of the 410 series drivers).

AMD Radeon Pro SSG
AMD Radeon Pro WX 3100
AMD Radeon Pro WX 4100
AMD Radeon Pro WX 5100
AMD Radeon Pro WX 7100
AMD Radeon Pro WX 8200
AMD Radeon Pro WX 9100
AMD Radeon Pro W4100
AMD FirePro W5100
AMD FirePro W7100
AMD FirePro W8100
AMD FirePro W9100
AMD FirePro W7000
AMD FirePro W8000
AMD FirePro W9000
AMD Radeon Pro WX 4130
AMD Radeon Pro WX 4150
AMD Radeon Pro WX 4170
AMD FirePro W6150M
AMD FirePro W7170M

AMD FirePro D300
AMD FirePro D500
AMD FirePro D700
AMD Radeon R9 M290X
AMD Radeon R9 M380
AMD Radeon R9 M390
AMD Radeon R9 M395X
AMD Radeon Pro 560
AMD Radeon Pro 570
AMD Radeon Pro 575
AMD Radeon Pro 580
AMD Radeon Pro M395X
AMD Radeon Pro Vega 56
AMD Radeon Pro Vega 64
Intel® HD Graphics 6000
Intel® Iris™ Graphics 6100
Intel® Iris™ Pro Graphics 6200
AMD Radeon Pro Vega 20
AMD Radeon Pro Vega 48

Intel® HD Graphics 5000
Intel® HD Graphics 6000
Intel® Iris Graphics 6100
Intel® Iris Pro Graphics 6300
Intel® Iris Pro Graphics P6300
Intel® Iris Graphics 540/550
Intel® Iris Pro Graphics 580
Intel® Iris Pro Graphics P580
Intel® Iris™ Plus Graphics 640/650

What's Up Adobe???

Report · Mar 04, 2020

They don't have a team of people testing cards. So don't assume that is an exhaustive list, it's not meant as one. That list is from the ones that either they've used in-house or have other confirmed usage or simply that the specs for the card ... generation of "architecture" and drivers, amount of vRAM, are usable by Premiere.

Note the oldest Nvidia cards ... that generation and newer for Nvidia, and the same for AMD cards. Those set an 'old gear' limit. Anything newer with acceptable amounts of RAM is fine.

Neil

Report · Mar 04, 2020

Thank you, I know it works with Premiere. I have read the article that Warren posted below and I found it shocking to read that paragraph after seeing how AMD was promoting this card illustrated in the picture above.

There were some online videos that touted this card as punching well above its price tag, but I have found it adequate but not "ripping" through h.264 renders or even 4k timeline renders.

I wish Adobe would benchmark and review cards when it comes to rendering and exporting times for various content.

5,1 Hackintosh

Intel 6 core 3.46 GHZ

Radeon VII

32GB ECC RAM

1TB SSD Boot Drive

1TB 7200 Storage Drive

Waiting to install (Sonnet M.2 4x4 PCIe 3.0 x16 Card )

Scott

Report · Mar 04, 2020

The AMD Radeon VII does get used in workstations with Premiere Pro installed.

Puget Systems included it along with the AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and a range of NVIDIDA cards in this review:

Premiere Pro CC 2019: AMD Radeon VII vs NVIDIA GeForce RTX
Written on March 29, 2019 by Matt Bach

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2019-AMD-Radeon-VII-vs-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX...

Matt concludes the following in his article, "Having more VRAM than you need doesn't give you any better performance, so unless you are using a plug-in or other application that actually needs 16GB of VRAM, the Radeon VII is simply a worse choice for Premiere Pro than an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 or 2080."

Report · Mar 04, 2020

Thanks Warren,

Hated reading that sentence. )

Report · Mar 04, 2020

Not to beleaguer the point but why then are the latest Mac Pros shipping with AMD GPU's? Is this a new war between Final Rut, I mean Cut and Premiere. ? )

Report · Mar 04, 2020

In this case, point the finger at Apple. Apple had in 2015 shunned Nvidia altogether in favor of AMD. And gradually, Apple depreciated CUDA support until the day Mojave was released. At that point Apple effectively told Nvidia to stop development of CUDA drivers for OSX, leaving only archived CUDA drivers for all OSX platforms. As a result, OSX no longer supports CUDA at all beginning with Mojave. And beginning with Premiere Pro 2020 (14.0), the program now no longer supports CUDA at all for OSX.

Report · Mar 04, 2020

When CUDA was supported by Apple it worked very well with Premiere CC 2018.

Report · Mar 05, 2020

If you've ever owned a MacBook Pro from 2008 to 2009, there a good chance you've experience first hand why things have soured between Apple and NVIDIA. I'm mainly aware of it becaue my17-inch MacBook Pro was affected. The graphics care literally disconnected from the motherboard during regular use. It affected something like 40% of all MacBook Pros sold during that time.

Report · Mar 22, 2020

Is that why the screen when out on my 17" not once but twice! I have two, once amazing 17 inch Mac Brick Pros now!

Report · Mar 22, 2020

Mine was repaired under AppleCare when the laptop was about a year and a half old.

It's my understanding that Apple did the repair for out-of-warranty units as well for a few years.

The same problematic NVIDIA cards were used in some game consoles as well, but those are easier to open and use a heatgun to reseat the graphics daughtercard.

Report · Mar 04, 2020

Working on program stability/bug-fixes and improvements, or ... testing GPUs. Especially given how many GPUs there are, and that to test for any useful benchmark, you would need to test the every GPU on many different machine configurations ... hmmm.

No, personally, I'd prefer them to stay workin mainly on the program itself. Personal opinion, of course.

This is where Puget, SafeHarbor Computing and others step in and provide such assistance. Thankfully.

Neil

Report · Mar 04, 2020

I see your point. I don't want them to test them all. Just share what are some of the best cards suited for their applications.

Thanks again!

Report · Mar 04, 2020

Here's the catch:

Adobe has spent much less time on the development of OpenCL GPU acceleration support versus CUDA GPU acceleration support in Premiere Pro to begin with. As a result, its OpenCL performance continues to lag behind its CUDA performance at every hardware price point, except for perhaps the very lowest performance tier.

Secondly, many of the major companies that once supported OpenCL have now either depreciated OpenCL support or stopped supporting that API altogether. And OpenCL itself is now under depreciated, if not discontinued, development. Plus, AMD and Intel have not yet found a Windows-compatible GPGPU API that was expected to replace OpenCL. As a result of all that, it would not be surprising at all that a future version of Premiere Pro would revert completely to software-only MPE rendering for all non-Nvidia GPUs in Windows, with depreciation beginning with the next major version of Premiere Pro (15.x).

Report · Mar 04, 2020

Yikes!

Ironically I found that the "Software" acceleration was just as fast as the "Metal" option and the "Open GL" warned me it would have depricated performance. This is so disheartening when this card seems to be perfect for Davinci Resolve but not Premiere!

Report · Mar 05, 2020

This is an NVIDIA card inside your Hackintosh, correct?

It stands to reason that you would not see any acceleration via Metal without any hardware that supports it.

As far as I am aware, Blackmagic relies on system drivers in the same way that Premiere Pro does. To take advantage of the NVIDIA card, you'll need to boot Windows and not macOS.

Report · Mar 05, 2020

I've moved this from the Premiere Pro forum to the Video Hardware forum.