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Bill Gehrke
Bill Gehrke
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January 7, 2017
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Samsung 960 Pro Speed Freaks

  • January 7, 2017
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How about this from two Samsung 960 Pro M.2 in RAID 0:

But I will have to say that exporting from Premiere with the PPBM disk intensive Disk I/O timeline cannot take advantage of this sequential write speed.  Our Premiere Pro benchmark stops improving at ~2000 MB/second so this configuration would not be practical usage.

I just could not resist showing these astronomical transfer rates

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    DanHidalz
    Participating Frequently
    January 18, 2017

    1. Ok, I just thought that it was a decision that had something to do with performance. I have no problem using a PCIe drive with my actual SSD but I'll sure have it finding a laptop with two SSD and one of them PCIe. So provided the fact that laptop processors are not that powerful yet, going with just one PCIe SSD seems to be more than enough.

    2. I edited it after writing it, I wanted to say "disk intensive", not "CPU intensive". I mean, if it is in any way, similar to editing, rendering and exporting ProRes 422, RED 4K or similar content. But ok, I get the overall idea of the CPU intensive test; I've been reading the project's website.

    3 & 4. All ok with those points, thanks!   

    5. A wrote you a fifth point above. Take a look whenever you have time. Thanks a lot for your help Bill Gehrke!! You're a valuable member of this community   

    danielh19294473 escribió:

    I take advantage and ask this little additional question to Bill and all of you apart from what I posted before.

    5. I know that this kind of benchmarks are made to be as similar as real life performance as possible (being made inside PPro and all that stuff) but how much representative it actually is of real world performance?

    I would't be asking this stupid question if I wouldnt have found this: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-4-Storage-Optimizati on-854

    As they analyze it seems to be little to no difference even when working with 4K. Is anything wrong with their procedures or is it just that we're benchmarking nearing a synthetic approach and its not as representative?

    Thank you a lot for your help guys!

    Bill Gehrke
    Bill GehrkeAuthor
    Inspiring
    January 18, 2017

    I spent about an hour composing your reply and some how lost it. Here goes again

    The PPBM benchmark was not designed to be as "near real life as possible"  That would require constant changes as codecs are added and features change .  PPBM was designed to be done in Premiere but to test your hardware, specifically your CPU your GPU and your disk drive(s).  The identical benchmark works in CS6 up and through the current CC 2017.  I do have different project versions and scoring scripts but the timelines are all the identical.

    Puget undertook a massive project and did it very well but it is not a "portable" benchmark that you can run.  They being a for profit organization could pay their employees to do that massive job and it is of great value.  On the other hand I have not received any compensation for PPBM.  Harm (when he was still with us) did ask for contributions to defray the cost of the software he used in presenting the data on ppbm7.com.  He being a business man designed a very complex web site which I cannot easily update,  He did create a document for me on how to add a new submission.  It is 24 screen grabs with annotation on each so I have not been able to even keep the result submissions up to date let alone make changes to it.

    On my "experimental" desktop I have one document that currently has over 400 benchmark runs recorded as I changed the configuration.  If someone is not happy with their editing experience and they run PPBM, I sometimes can point out a weakness in their system.  I am amazed how many times we have people complaining their GPU is not working--mainly because they are not using GPU accelerated effects or features.  Running PPBM demonstrates usually 100% GPU load for them.

    I have another web site that I am going to be publishing more test data from PPBM testing.

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      DanHidalz
      Participating Frequently
      January 18, 2017

      A million thanks for taking all that time to explain all that clearly for all of us.

      It's all clear now about it!

      I recently took the benchmark and I was happy to see that it had been updated to work with CC 2017.

      Hope you find the way, or someone who can help you, to develop and continue with the project. It's been of great help since I met it.

      All the things I know today about Premiere and video editing related hardwareI owe it to Harm, your posts and the PPBM project.

      Again, thanks a lot for all your time.

      jasonvp
      jasonvp
      Inspiring
      January 17, 2017

      Frustration: I've had one of the 960 Pro 1TB drives on order since October of last year.  It finally shipped from Amazon on the second of January and arrived, safe and sound.  Or so I thought.  When I opened the Amazon box, I was greeted by an already-cut-open Samsung box.  The drive had been removed before the Samsung box was packaged up and sent to me.

      Basically I paid Amazon for a $630 cardboard box.  And this was Amazon's doing, too, not UPS'.  Naturally, they no longer have any drives to replace it and won't until, perhaps, Spring.

      Dammit!

      Bill Gehrke
      Bill GehrkeAuthor
      Inspiring
      January 17, 2017

      Yesterday Newegg sent me a notice that they just received a shipment of those 960 1 TB SSD's

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      Mike 1 Irish
      Participating Frequently
      January 17, 2017

      I have one on order since the middle of december last. The 1Tb Evo is available but the 1Tb Pro isn't. I am in Europe and I have one on order from AMAZON UK and AMAZON in Germany.

      Mike

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      DanHidalz
      Participating Frequently
      January 16, 2017

      I take advantage and ask this little additional question to Bill and all of you apart from what I posted before.

      5. I know that this kind of benchmarks are made to be as similar as real life performance as possible (being made inside PPro and all that stuff) but how much representative it actually is of real world performance?

      I would't be asking this stupid question if I wouldnt have found this: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-4-Storage-Optimization-854

      As they analyze it seems to be little to no difference even when working with 4K. Is anything wrong with their procedures or is it just that we're benchmarking nearing a synthetic approach and its not as representative?

      Thank you a lot for your help guys!

      MyerPj
      Community Expert
      MyerPjCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      January 9, 2017

      Hi Bill,

      I've been following your posts, very informative, thanks!

      I'll be doing a new build in Feb or March, and was planning on doing an Samsung 512gb 850 (pro or evo) boot, programs and then a 512gb 960 pro m2 drive for media. Was just wondering though, since I have to buy both new drives... can / should I go with two 960's using one for boot and the other for media, etc? The cost would only be the difference from an 850 to a similar 960.

      (I'm planning on using an Asus x99 Deluxe 2 with a 6850 processor and Asus 1060 video)

      Any tips would be much appreciated...

      mp

      Bill Gehrke
      Bill GehrkeAuthor
      Inspiring
      January 10, 2017

      Well you forced me to look at the 950 Pro 512 GB  versus the 960 Pro 512 GB  and there is only $2.00 difference between these two on Newegg today.  Of course for the boot drive you really do not need 512 GB, 256 GB is more than enough.  Here there is a $50 difference for the M.2 plus for the second M.2 device you need a PCIe adapter card.

      Since I have two 960 Pro's I guess it makes sense for me to go to my desktop and run my PPBM with two of those.  I will not be able to do it tonight but will try for tomorrow and see if there is any difference over my running off a SATA III boot device.  My gut feeling right now is there no significant difference.  I will have to break that RAID configuration that I now have and reload a boot configuration on one drive.

        MyerPj
        Community Expert
        MyerPjCommunity Expert
        Community Expert
        January 16, 2017

        Hi Bill. The link seem to be broken!


        Hi Bill and Mike,

        Interesting thread here. Motivated by this I ordered two 960s, a 500gb EVO and 512gb Pro. Since both are to 'ship sometime soonish' I figured I'd keep the first one or even get both.

        Mike I am thinking of a rig similar to your basic one, (probably with no spinning drives) 6850 and Asus x99 Deluxe II with the Asus card. If I end up with both drives, I'll probably use the EVO for booting. I rarely go 3 years without refreshing my boot drive as Windows starts getting slugish, so I would replace that one at that time.

        Bill, have you ever booted with one of the 960s? then use one for your media files, etc? I planning to purchase two new SSDs for the new rig, and the price is not that much greater to make them both 960's instead of a boot SATA III. Then I can use one of my current 256k SATA III drives for quick backups, etc and an external eSATA spinning drive to get the files out of the main box.

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        mikeklar
        mikeklar
        Inspiring
        January 8, 2017

        Interesting, thanks for posting.

        Cheers

        Michael

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