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SSD vs RAID

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November 25, 2016
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In the past the idea was to reduce Pr processing bottle necks by using 3+ HDDs in a RAID configuration.

With SSDs can we now skip the RAID controllers and put all our raw video and output video files on 1 SSD?

Or maybe have a smaller SSD for Windows 10 and CC apps and a larger SSD for project and video files?

A new system might include only 3 drives: 240MB SSD + 1TB SSD + 4TB HDD.

Projects can be processed on the 1TB SSD and when completed moved to the 4TB HHD for storage in case they need to be moved back on the 1TB SSD for further processing.

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flbreen9380904Author

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I guess the most important question what is the best future PC to build? a PC with just SATA SSDs or a PC that uses M.2 SSDs for bulk storage and a SATA SSD for OS & Adobe.

Bill Gehrke

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My suggestion is use a SATA III SSD especially if you already have one for your OS and applications and use the super speed M.2 SSD for all your current project(s) and media files, then when they are finished move to hard disk drives where they are handy for reference.

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RjL190365

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Bill,

To add to that the hard drives being used for backups and storage need not be internal. They may be "internal" drives that have been converted to external drives with USB 3.0 enclosures. That is exactly how I have my two 4TB Toshiba hard drives nowadays.

Randall

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AVTechMan

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Ok so i have a question....what would be an ideal setup if i was to capture SD analog material to say uncompressed 4:2:2 8 bit like BetacamSP? Usually it would require a few hdd's in RAID but if the M.2 drives would make more sense speedwise would it be ideal to just use that instead? Would save needing RAID controller cards!

Bill Gehrke

Inspiring

Here is my Samsung 950 Pro M.2 PCIe x4 plugged into my X58 PCIe Gen 2 motherboard.

But if you plug it into a PCIe Gen 3 x4 slot here is what you will get:

So if you can work your project on a 512 GB SSD there is not need for your RAID hard drives

If you do not mind waiting fro the new Samsung 960 Pro M.2 SSD's they will soon be available in 1 and 2 TB in the "gum stick" size format. Here is the 960 Pro 512 GB results with of course PCIe Gen 3 x4 connectivity.

My Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) Disk I/O test which is writing a large sequential video file to the 960 actually can score 1952 MB/second.

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AVTechMan

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That's pretty impressive numbers Bill. Looks like I will see about getting an M.2 drive for my new build, will save me some cash right there in not needing multiple SSD's. The board I plan to get is the x99 Asus Deluxe II which only has one M.2 slot. Will have to look into getting an PCIe adapter card for a second M.2 drive.

I can probably stay with the regular SATA III SSD drives for the DAW portion and audio processing work, since those are usually not I/O intense.

Bill Gehrke

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There are many confusing revisions to the ASUS P8P67pro. What features does you board have, PCIe 3.0? SATA III 6Gbit/sec? USB 3.0 or 3.1?

If you have two SATA III at 6 Gbits/second ports you can effectively use your designated 850 Pro SSD's Your two hard disk drive arrays probably have about 300 MB/s performance while the 850 Pro SSD each have about 500 MB/s.

If you have PCIe 3.0 you should be able to add an adapter board to fully support a Samsung 950 (or better yet the newer 960 Pro) M.2 PCIe3.0 x4 SSD. If it only has PCIe 2.0 then you can still use the M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 but at reduced performance but it still would be quite effective and far faster than the SATA III SSD's

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James G Maker

Known Participant

Thanks for the reply Bill.

How do I figure out which version it is?

Right now I'm copying my files using a linux usb because running windows gets nowhere.

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James G Maker

Known Participant

Can I find it through the bios?

The mother board says

P8P67PRO rev 1.01

The bios is 1502

USB 3.0

Pretty sure this is the page from ASUS for this version

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8P67_PRO/specifications/

flbreen9380904Author

Inspiring

The main question here is weather RAID is needed any more. I have 8 HDD on on a RAID system. Can I replace RAID in my next system with one 2GB M.3 SSD and get better through put using CC Pr?

Bill Gehrke

Inspiring

RAID for reliability is still going to be essential for any large storage requirements if you do not have full redundancy and/or off site copies, but using RAID for performance reasons is unnecessary for most applications. It will depend on project sizes but for the vast majority of users I have seen RAID for performance can more readily be accomplished with SSD's. Of course there are cost considerations. But for performance I would guess that the non-redundant RAID 0 is dead!.

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James G Maker

Known Participant

My current system has a disk problem and I'm interested in replacing my 2 raid0 volumes with one SSD. And my 320g OS/program hard drive with an SSD as well.

Not sure if these are compatible with my ASUS P8P67pro Mother Board.

Samsung 850 pro 256GB SATAIII for OS/Programs

Samsung 850 pro 512GB SATAIII to replace my 2 raid volumes. Reading and writing from the same SSD plugged into the 6G port?

4TB "normal" HDD to hole assets and exports that are not currently being worked on.

Would this function at a similar speed as the old hard drive raid setup?

Thanks

Richard van den Boogaard

Community Expert

I currently have sacrificed my BluRay bay in my laptop and installed a third SSD:

- 1 for Program (256GB)

- 1 for Temp (480GB)

- 1 for Data (1TB)

I usually work on 3-4 projects at any given time, which means that the 1TB drive is sufficient for most 1080p projects. Through a single 4k project last year, however, I learned that your project sizes (all footage) will increase 4-fold, if not more.

I usually use 2 portable HDDs of 2TB for archiving of old projects.

Currently, I am looking to build a 4k workstation, but I will stick to the 3 SSD setup.

I am wondering, though, if PPro will work a lot faster if you use M.2 SSDs and which drive is best suited for that purpose. My hunch is that the Temp drive will stand to gain most from faster drive access, but I'm curious to learn your opinions.

Bill Gehrke

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Test your SSD's in your current setup and I am guessing that the SSD in your Buy-ray bay will have lousy performance, Use something like CrystalDiskMark. Generally that port is not SATA III.
M.2 PCIE x4 SSD's are great. The newest ones are the Samsung 960 Pro devices, they are just coming on the market and will include an 1 or 2 TB version available early next year, I have the 512 GB version running now. But they are not necessary for the OS/Applications boot drive. Just use a good SATA III drive.
I do not use any three drive setup for my laptop or my high end desktop, I have not found it helps performance
What do you put on your Temp drive? I have not found a third drive necessary.
My 4K XAVC-S 100 Mbit/s did shock me after the first run. But after all 4x the resolution would be 4x the storage requirement.
Here is the CDM for the 960 Pro and in the Disk I/O export write rate test from Premiere I actually get 1952 MB/s.

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JFPhoton

Inspiring

Bill,

Looking forward to the experiment of using just one 960 Pro for EVERYTHING, and how that compares to having a separate boot drive for OS, programs, and Windows page file.

Bill Gehrke

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Agree completely. My editing system has a SATA III SSD for OS/Applications. a Samsung 960 Pro M.2 (512G right now maybe 1 TB when they become available) drive for project files and no internal hard disk. I have a plugin hard drive for archiving and backup purposes..Again as usual it all depend on your media

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