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chopin_guy
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June 8, 2017
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Workstation Build Thoughts - HP Z840

  • June 8, 2017
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First post here, and looking for some insight. I'm music director for a large Catholic church, but I wear several hats and do all our video production / media / etc. My current Z820 workstation is about 5 years old with a K3000 Quadro card, and really showing it's age.  I work with lots of 4K files (some RAW) from A7S, aerial, etc. So file sizes get big depending on the overall project.

My biggest question on this build is the graphics card for use in both Premiere and After Effects. Naturally the Quadro cards are what Adobe quotes as supporting, but those come at a big cost. Is it worth going with one the Quadro's (P4000 or P5000) directly from HP, or should I be looking at one or multiple GTXs installed after ordering the system?

Right now the main specs are:

Xeon E5-2643 v4: 3.4GHz 6-core

64GB 2400 ECC RAM

512GB PCIE SSD

2x - 256GB SSD

2x - 2TB 7200rpm SATA HD

Leaving the graphics card as the big question. Any input would be most appreciated....

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    RoninEdits
    Inspiring
    June 8, 2017

    you don't need a quadro unless you need 10bit display output for a monitor. otherwise adding a gtx card will be much cheaper, something like the gtx 1060 6gb would typically be a good match to a 6 core cpu. adding in third party memory to hit 64gb is another way to cut costs. kingston has a memory finder tool on their website to help pick the exact kit for compatibility. you might be looking at the hp z840 to add another cpu later, or perhaps you already have dual cpu in mind, but its generally better to go with one cpu for performance. if you are looking at a single 6 core cpu for now, the hp z440 with an E5-1650v4 6core 3.6ghz should be much cheaper. the cpu can always be upgraded to a xeon with more cores later if needed too.

    i'm not sure what cost you are getting on the hp system, but i imagine its between $6-7k with gtx card. that much money for a system with only 6 cpu cores is crazy. soon there will be basic off-the-shelf systems with amd 6-8 cpu's starting around $1k, and perhaps intel will offer 6 core off-the-shelf systems later. another option is to go with a system builder like puget systems or adk video, which can spec out a similar build with a gtx 1070 and 8 core cpu for around $5-5.6k or closer to $4k for a 6 core with gtx 1060 6gb. also, intel will be releasing new cpu's soon, so those custom build shop prices might drop another $400 or so for an 8 core build as intel is having to cut costs to compete with amd's new ryzen cpu's at much lower prices.

    chopin_guy
    Participating Frequently
    June 8, 2017

    Ronin -- thanks for the thoughtful reply. I totally agree on the system pricing being high. But our IT team likes ordering turn-key, and being in Houston we are literally across the freeway from a huge HP campus. So we like to support their business too. We do have a business account, and I'd imagine get some sort of a break plus tax exempt.

    In any event, my only hope would be to suggest one of the GTX cards which we could install ourselves. For the money I'd honestly be looking at the GTX1080ti since the price is so low compared to the Quadro cards. I saw some promising testing results from the 10 line of the GTX cards. Otherwise the cards I was stuck with via HP are the P4000 or P5000, and those are $$$$.

    chopin_guy
    Participating Frequently
    June 13, 2017

    chopin_guy; You can order a Z440/Z640/Z840 without any grapics card installed. If you plan to put in a GTX card there is no need to buy the computer with a Quadro card. You can either buy an off-the-shelf or a Top Config configurated Z Workstation without graphics card. That will save you money and that´s how i buy them.


    Thank you Averdahl -- certainly looks like I will order it as you have suggested. Can't really justify the Quadro cards for my purposes, and especially you see how close the performance is to the GTX counterparts. I'd most likely be going with the 1080Ti...