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I got into the speedgrade stuff ( one of the things I wanted to do for this project was some cc and make sure stuff was broadcast safe etc )... and have run into some problems.
I can see why that book about color correction would be nice to have.. will probably buy the new edition soon ( november pub date ? )...but thats not my immediate problem...
The immediate problem is getting it to work properly with PPro in a way that supports quality and workflow..and so far I am so far from knowing how to make that happen I might as well be on Pluto.
hehe.. yeah, it is a heavy load !
u crack me up.
nothing wrong with trying IMO...and notice the expression of " perserverance " (sp? )
I read that thread, and it also cracked me up... when I read the sentence, " it does not work with Ppro "....I'm kinda getting that feeling...like, it might work at the end for final cc and export...but otherwise it's kinda a waste of time with cs6 stuff....too many problems and crazy things going on with that. And I also noted the mention about " a clip that is absolutely screwed up " where levels and 3 way can't handle it in Ppro.
I'm kinda leaning in that direction now... do everything in Ppro, then try to send to SG and see if I can improve on things as a final product and export final from there.
I just cleaned out the pig...and will shoot a few new clips using nikon w ninja...and work that way...send to sg as final thing and then export and chk out the final product. Probably will make a BD for final.
Will do my transitions and everything I can think of that I would use in a real project with my samples in PPro...then send to sg, and so on...see what happens.
Thanks Fuzzy.. appreciate the heads up and your help.
but otherwise it's kinda a waste of time with cs6 stuff....
Notice my comment about After Effects and .look.
hehe.. yeah, it is a heavy load ! u crack me up.
nothing wrong with trying IMO...and notice the expression of " perserverance " (sp? )
Does that mean we can return to our muttons, i.e. list of tasks aka work breakdown structure and estimate time required to accomplish them with our ongoing resources?
I honestly don't think the 2 of us can realistically do the project within the time constraints and get even halfway through the goals. It might be possible to ( IMO ) keep working on it, beyond the immediate time contraints, IF WE GET the website up and running so that the 'progress' made can be seen by others with a remote interest in joining us... and contribute their expertise.
In other words, the success of what is done and seen on the website might 'sell' the fun and worth of the project spirit enough that others join us and the project takes off .
The problems are obvious, beyond the time thing. Not many people who are good and competent and expert at their skills and crafts and so on can afford to live without monetizing that now.. to make a living and get ahead in life. I've tried to keep this project in an imaginative space likely to generate an avenue for contributers to actually USE the results of their contributions as a way to show their talent and skill favorably to potential clients ( paying clients ). Sorta a PR promotion. Like an art gallery or something. Or a magazine ( Art In America, Architects Digest, Woodworking, stuff like that .. high end stuff ).
I can't do that. Nancy might be able to design something like that and get it online, but it can't be done by Dec 24 as she has nothing to work with and we aint paying her. The dream of the project requires real people doing really great work together and the 2 of us is not enough to make that happen ...unless we spend approximately the rest of our lives doing it.
1. We have support from Forum moderators, our milestones are appended into the original post, hence everyone arriving in this thread can easily grasp where we are at that moment.
2. Monetising has nothing to do with the attractiveness of this project. A lot of people around the world spend their time helping others and chatting with in Adobe Forums without getting paid. Hence, money is not the only incentive.
We could attract peolpe, if we really showed the progress. You can't attract anyone to participate in a failure, whereas you can in a success. We stumbled over quite an easy task, which everyone passes through in everyday life with no issues. This task doesn't require fancy gear or skills in utilising some complex software - a piece of paper and a pencil are the right tools to do the job. Do you really beleive it's possible to attract someone if we are incapable of doing such a simple exercise?
And you can endlessly put off the deadline, but that never benefits you, if you don't know how to create something with ongoing resources. That's just building castles in the air.
So, let's finish with the WBS, estimate the time, revise our final product if necessary, but release at least something by 24 December and improve our skills in areas, which we are interested in, while working on that 'something' however small!
I did a tutorial for maya ( I think it was first one ) couple years ago..was a solar system.. was learning how to animate stuff going around other stuff.. the moons go around the planets and the planets go around the 'sun' ( in this case just grey sphere ).. no lighting done on this..but was pretty simple to do. I have an avi file of the result. I have the mb ( maya ) file.. if anyone can use it ? I'm thinking, trailer of doc here... and ideas for poster...
this sort of thing...done well with lighting and effects of sun etc.. fast cross to still images like that one of saturn where you see earth and moon in background, then earth ...then EGG spaceship enters frame...that sort of thing...
this model was done pretty quickly with the tutorial..and anyone knowing how to use program like this can do a nice job probably...put one big one in foreground to begin...and it moves to reveal the rest of stuff ...something dramatic....space music or whatever...
ps. people who know how to use program can put textures, atmospheres, skins, images, whatever on these objects.. make it look like REAL....I hope people have imagination to see this is like drawing on napkins here...
To elaborate....
It's fantastic we have what you've done Fuzzy, regarding the list of things and the way you've laid it out on the XL sheet is great... it is not just an outline but gets to some fine points we need to know and deal with...
The problem for me at this point isn't moving along with that as you suggested above, my problem is that without the intial definition of the movie the particulars of the project can't be realistically dealt with . The one spawns the other .. that is, the definition of the product ends up defining the more specific items of the project....
let's hear a resounding YAY for " THE EGG " and lets move on...or we are seriously in trouble here...as it's already OCT 24. Not that it matters.. cause IMO if we never define the product first we'll never move beyond that anyway.
already made... so here it is.. no sense waiting...
this is 3/4 done...each frame on top ( the words " what " " came" "first" , and the space shots are approximately 1 sec in duration.. slightly less...maybe 1/2 sec....part of this will be up to the editor but basically it's in that time range.. very fast paces.. you see the word, now you see the space shot, then you see the next word...etc.
each space frame is accompanied by a loud ( not too loud but loud ) crashing type space noise.. maybe like a steel dumster lid being slammed shut. with mic inside .. with reverb and so on...spacey sorta....
The egg frame is either a still image if we suck at this... or else it is a short video clip of the egg moving further into frame toward earth... this is an item which has many ramifications...because a still frame from this clip ( or if we suck the still frame original used )
a) it may be used for poster shot so the rest of the product can be made with shots of people coming out of theatre
b) will be used for other promo including web and print etc.
c) could be used as a 'teaser' for the non existent documentary... as part of a talk show segment or whatever ( plus web streamed ).
Once we get into the 3/4 story board ....we need to finish the rest of it.. and that will also depend on a few things that can't be done without the first part of this being accepted and generating some ideas etc... so that we collaborate and decide on the final 1/4 of the storyboard...
What I meant by " time it " ( the story board ) is .. either do in head or use a stop watch..and time each frame of the story board. That gives you how many seconds of the 60 second commercial ( our product ) the story board currently represents. When I time the story board with a stop watch I get about 34 seconds. If you imagine in your own head what each frame represents time wise.. you may come up with a different number.
When we know how much time is left to finish the product it gives us a general idea how fast we need to pace the balance of the product to finish it with the elements we have to start discussing now...
AFTER THAT.. we can get into the details of who is doing what and when very accurately...
We have a ways to go yet before this first phase is finished.. describing the product.
Since the product is selling a fictional DOCU DRAMA called THE EGG, we are needing to discuss that fictional docu drama so we know how to SELL it...
The product is a 60 sec commercial selling a fictional docu drama called THE EGG.
When we finish the story board for that commercial we will know what else can be generated from that ( talk show etc ).
We need to consider what the fictional docu drama is in general terms so we know how to sell it with our product ( commercial ).
lets finish this first.. the desciption of our product, and then fill in the blanks...
Since you've already done that work ( XL etc ) it will be easy to check off what can or cannot be done in time...or what needs place holders...
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