News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max

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[Stan Jones]

anyone considered making a feature request for a Save as CS6 File... capability?

Duh. Not till you mentioned it...

Here's the link and my version below. The Feature Request requires that you specify a product. It should be applied to all products in CS6/CC.

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

Save As CS6

Provide a "Save as CS6" capability for all future Creative Cloud versions of Premiere Pro (as, for example, available in AE CS6 as Save as CS5.5).

If perpetual licenses are provided beyond CS6, also add Save as [Version] for such future versions.

[Todd_Kopriva]

> anyone considered making a feature request for a Save as CS6 File... capability?

This is what After Effects will do for the next several versions.

[Stan Jones]

This is what After Effects will do for the next several versions.

Thanks, Todd. FYI, AE is not included in the list at

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html

in the section titled "Which CC applications support export to CS6?"

Kevin, do we know anything about PR? Seems an obvious option.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Stan Jones wrote:

Kevin, do we know anything about PR? Seems an obvious option.

Hi Stan,

We have AAF, EDL, FCP XML, OMF, etc. No Save As CS6 function, that would be a feature request: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

Thanks,

Kevin

[Stan Jones]

Already made the feature request. Is one of those exports able to export a project for import to CS6?

[Kevin-Monahan]

Stan Jones wrote:

Already made the feature request. Is one of those exports able to export a project for import to CS6?

Stan,

XML works pretty well for projects.

Kevin

[Guest]

XML works pretty well for projects.

Not sure if there were major improvements over CS5.5, but third-party effects used to get lost in translation, and if a project contained dynamically linked comps, it turns into right Royal pain, unless they were providently logged with pen or pencil, 'cos there are no much hints in the Import dialog to say the least... Much worse than simply replacing Version="XX" with appropriate number... (which is not quite official backward compatibility solution...)

[Kevin-Monahan]

Fuzzy Barsik wrote:

XML works pretty well for projects.

...third-party effects used to get lost in translation, and if a project contained dynamically linked comps, it turns into right Royal pain...

Fuzzy,

Right, you'd have to take some extra precautions for back up, like rendering out your AE comps, flatten anything with a third party plug-in, etc. Please make a feature request for Premiere Pro to "Save As CS6".

Thanks,

Kevin

[Todd_Kopriva]

Thanks, Stan. I'll get the web team to fix that omission.

[Stan Jones]

Thanks, Todd.

[Steven L. Gotz]

Andy,

I am sorry if I wasn't clear. I thought I had been.

I don't "deserve" an exit strategy since I bought directly into the Creative Cloud. Now, if Adobe would let me "buy" CC, meaning I pay a fee to get the base CC, then all of the money I spend along the way, every $50 I pay (less in my case as stated elsewhere), that money should go to my software license so that when/if I decide to stop my subscription, the software I stop with should be mine by way of a perpetual license. That was my #3 in post #702.

People who join without paying for CC in its entirety, or people who don't upgrade from an earlier version, but just pay the subscription are truly renting and therefore have not eaqrned an exit strategy.

If I stop paying, I can start again if I need to edit an old project, or I can remember what I did and put the whole thing together from the original footage using a different program. Now, that is a lot easier for an editor than an animator, that's for sure. But I am pretty much a  linear editor using non-linear tools. I shoot in order and generally edit in that order. Corporate training videos often allow for that, and certainly concerts or personal projects almost always lend themselves to that strategy. At least for me they do. Sure I use B-Roll but not all that often.

The reason I mentioned annuities is that if I thought it was something I was going to have to worry about later, I would appropriate the same amount of money now, that I would otherwise have spent over the same period of time on purchases and upgrades, and make sure it was nothing to worry about in the future. You may be young, I do not know. As I get closer to retirement, as all wise investors do, I invest more and more of my money away from the stock market and into bonds and annuities. Take your age and subtract it from 100. That is the percentage of stocks and stock mutual funds you should have if you follow the old rules, give or take 10%. I am sixty, so I can easily see having 40% of my money in stodgy, safe, investments. Guaranteed variable annuities are perfectly viable investments for older people.  I don't have 40% invested that way yet, but I will eventually.

If money ever gets that tight, and I doubt it will because I have saved very carefully for my retirement, I will probably not be buying a new camera and will probably be able to use Lightworks or some other free program for personal projects. If I am getting paid, I can certainly afford the $75 for a month long subscription. Or more if necessary.

Look, I could be wrong. There is no way to know. I am just saying that I think this is right for me. We'll see. And, of course, you may be in a completely different situation.

[lasvideo]

Lets face it folks, trying to persuade an employee why the cloud is eternal rental or whatever is a big waste of time. They are paid by Adobe and will be fired if they say anything other than the corporate line. And some customers like the concept of eternal rental and the percieved beneftis they get from it. So unless you are really bored or have no life to speak of...save your breath, arguing the point is a profund waster of time.

[the_wine_snob]

I agree.

An Adobe employee must espouse the corporate line, and that should be expected. In very general terms, they SHOULD be trying to "sell" the CC licensing, and should be armed with talking points for that purpose.

Users X, Y & Z might have determined that the CC plan works for them, and their comments need to be respected, and also studied, as they might have found something that others have missed. Nothing wrong with that.

Now, I have not been sold on the CC, but that might change in time. There have been many times, where I resisted something, based on my evaluation, but then changed my mind over time. That might happen here, or maybe not. Time will tell.

Hunt

[John T Smith]

>I have not been sold on the CC, but that might change in time

If you ever have a paying project that requires some new PProCC feature, I can see that happening

For me... with never a paying project and only liking PPro for my own home video, I am beginning to think I should not have spent the money to upgrade to PProCS6... based on the "wishy-washy" non-promise of a fix for the AVCHD bug (but, at least I got to PProCS6 by means of it being a free upgrade when I bought PProCS5.5, so I can fall back to 5.5 if the CS6 bug is never fixed)

Either way... my decision is that I will never subcribe to the Cloud

Anyone else who is looking forward to the new features... good for them... their choice based on their needs

[the_wine_snob]

John T,

So far, I am not shooting AVCHD, so that Bug is not yet an issue for me. And, as I no longer have to deal with clients' footage, it might never surface.

Like you, I cannot imagine a client (do not have but two of those, and the Projects are old, and only need approval for the finals) needing any new features. Those might be great, and very useful, but now I have to justify the price with what I wish to do. I might wish for a few, but then they need to provide ME with enough value to tempt me to go to the CC. Over time, I will possibly read up on what has been included in the CC version of PrPro, but those features would really need to be great, to get me to part with my funds - maybe if they added the "Pretty Filter," or "Creative Editing Tool," to turn a "sow's ear" into a "silk purse... "

Hunt

[UlfLaursen]

Bill Hunt wrote:

So far, I am not shooting AVCHD, so that Bug is not yet an issue for me. And, as I no longer have to deal with clients' footage, it might never surface.

Like you, I cannot imagine a client (do not have but two of those, and the Projects are old, and only need approval for the finals) needing any new features. Those might be great, and very useful, but now I have to justify the price with what I wish to do. I might wish for a few, but then they need to provide ME with enough value to tempt me to go to the CC. Over time, I will possibly read up on what has been included in the CC version of PrPro, but those features would really need to be great, to get me to part with my funds - maybe if they added the "Pretty Filter," or "Creative Editing Tool," to turn a "sow's ear" into a "silk purse... "

Hunt

I agree with you Bill 100% - I "just" have a part time hobby business, and the AVCHD material I get from others I edit in 5.5 still or convert in 5.5 to UT / AVI, which worked for me also at the time where MXF files had the shearing issue back last year.

Ulf

[shooternz]

Hey Tom

Time to let this go and pick up our guitars.

Seriously.

'We are on a  Hiding to Nowhere Blues'

Heres what I am playing right now.

'Bring Down the Curtain' - JJ Cale

'When this War is Over' - Eric  Clapton

[lasvideo]

shooternz - "

Time to let this go and pick up our guitars. "

Ha ha. Great idea. Actually Im still cutting with CS6 at the moment AND charging full speed into Cinema 4D. The classes Im taking at Lynda, Digital Tutors and fxphd are really accelerating the learning process. A great tool to add to CS6 which I intended to get my moneys worth out of. 

[Andy Bay]

Adobe stock is now at a one month low..

[excited_Genie16B8]

.as far as the functionality is concerned just how good have the updates since CS3 been?

The feature and performance difference between CS3 and CS6 is HUGE!

[UlfLaursen]

Thanks Harm and Cocovanna for the clarification.

I think I stick with CS6 🙂

Ulf

[Steven L. Gotz]

My apologies Cocovanna. I did not notice you were replying to my friend Ulf. To be fair, I don't think he realized it either.

Of course you are correct in that people outside the US are getting a terrible deal, and apparently have been for quite some time. In todays economy and in the current state of technology, you would think that things that are handled online would have evened out the fairness for everyone.

[Cocovanna]

Steven, no problem, I should have quoted -- but that's not possible on an iPad 🙂

[the_wine_snob]

Yes, one must watch out for "potholes"

Hunt

[Harm_Millaard]

See:

In Denmark, the first year of an upgrade from CS will cost you $ 48 per month or $ 36 for upgrades from CS6 only. After that first year, the monthly cost rises to $ 81 per month, or $ 968 per year (at least at this moment, because Adobe can increase prices at any moment as they wish and their only obligation is to notify you in advance, even if by some whim they decide to triple the price). If you stop somewhere during that second year, so still have to pay 50% of the non-paid monthes, even though your license is suspended immediately.

Hypothetical situation:

First year: 12 x $ 36 when upgrading from CS6, total $ 432, or 12 x $ 48 when upgrading from CS3/4/5/5.5, total $ 576.

Second year without price increases: 12 x $ 81 = $ 968,

After tripling the prices (and nobody can do anything about Adobe's whimsical behaviour): 12 x $ 243 = $ 2916

If you consider that too expensive, and decide to stop after two months, you still pay 50% of the not yet paid amounts, so at least 10 x $ 81 x 0.5 = $ 405 without price increases, but after tripling the price even a whopping 10 x $243 x 0.5 = $ 2430. Nothing you can do about that, it is all laid down in the terms. It does not matter that your license is immediately revoked, you can no longer access your copywrited material, you still have to bleed.

Abode cares for its cu$tomer$, but even more for their ca$h flow and profit$.