Substance model graphs end of life

I  wanted to use model graph and did  several approaches,  spent few weekends studying it .   Never been  able  even to import a curve.      It was so confusing.    Like 3d max  creation graph  that nobody uses.     Comparing it  to Blender geometry nodes I prefer Blender  so much.  .      I'd wish Adobe would learn something  from Blender .  For image graphs too.     Their perfect balance in between  simplisity and flexibility.

 Wasted years trying to master Houdiny too . Never could pass beyond certain glass ceiling.      Blender geometry nodes is like someone sane from planet Earth  finally tried to do artist friendly procedural modelling. 

That's a bummer. Just recently I saw a video of some guy placing a chimney on top of a castle having bricks procedureally getting deleted where the chimney was.. something like that..

The potential was huge.. Anyway people do have better tools like houdini and bifrost (maya) for such workflows but it was kinda neat to use the power of nodes on models in a tool I'm familiar with.

I hope the removal of less popular feature will increase focus on the main features and bug fixes.

In my opinion, this approach of the R&D team may be the decision of the Marketing Department, because it is not surprising to sell one apple as two apples

This is incredibly disappointing news. The model graphs are an integral part of our workflow. honestly, we are now considering moving away from substance designer completely. The mdl support is substandard and now the removal of model graphs is a show-stopper. 

A bit late but I'd still like to express my disappointment about this decision, IMO this is a serious step backwards because it severely impacts Designers overal functionality, and not for the better I think. With all due respect but I cannot help but notice that the price for Designer effectively went up, while it now basically provides less functionality than before. That's kinda peculiar I think.

I also don't quite understand this decision because from what I can see the 3D View pane still remains. So core support for 3D is still a thing within Designer yet for some - in my opinion - vague reasons we're no longer given the option to control any specific parts of it anymore? And from what I understand this functionality also doesn't get picked up by any of the other Substance environments either. While you say that not too many people use it...  I cannot help but notice that the ones who do use this quite often and very in-depth. Could it be that the main reason not too many people have picked up on this is because your documentation on the matter was rather poor? That's not a sneer, that's a conclusion that has also been shared by some of your own staff. I know how difficult it is to write such documentation, I'm a vivid writer myself.

But I really think you highly underestimate the importance model graphs had for several of us. Still using Painter & Designer 2022 myself so nothing changed for me, but I heavily rely on these models to bring information about my mesh into my substance graph where I work on texture presets (unfortunately not with direct connections); these values (or rather: value differences) can then help me to apply specific automated changes to the texture in order to compensate for some deformation when some parts of the mesh get changed. Think about the use of morphs for instance.

I once even took this one step further by "abusing" the substance graph base base parameters: I exposed some of those in order to get input nodes for the SBS graph in my model graph, only to undo the actual changes within the SBS graph itself (through use of functions and static variables). Resulting in me getting automated measurements from my mesh within the SBS graph.

It's a shame that we'll have to continue to rely on hacks to make all of this work, but c'est la vie I guess.

this inlcudes the nodes like <= && nums bools and all that u know?

This is very bad news. Will the feature be implemented elsewhere or will it die altogether? After all, this kind of modelling is very promising especially for patterns, but not known at all among product designers. It would also require a slightly different workflow to be established.

Hi!

I really like this feature, and I'm wondering if there is any plan in the future to have another parametric model generation graph software from you guys.

This is very disappointing. My workflow for several clients is ruined.

I had very high interest in this feature, that's such a shame to see this die.
It seems to me that the low adoption was on par with the marketing put on this feature.