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Max_Ramuschi
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December 27, 2013

P: ICC Table Profiles clipped shadows under OSX

  • December 27, 2013
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Hi, I've just found a really bad issue occurring in Lr 5 (but also in all other Lightroom versions) under Mac OSX 10.9 with a calibrated monitor: dark shadows (from a value of 20 to 0) are all clipped (pure black with no detail and no textures) while the histogram remains ok, indicating NO clipped shadows at all. This issue afflics also ACR.

Photoshop for now is the only software under MAC that reproduces dark shadows correctly: Library Module shows a bit darker and shifted shadows than Ps but acceptable, Develop Module is really bad showing brutally clipped shadows (but you work in the Develop Module right?!).

The same problem occurred also in OSX 10.8 but it was related only to LUT profiles, creating a Matrix based profile problems were solved.

Now the issue occurs with both Matrix and LUT profiles, v2 and v4. There's no apparent way to make Lr working right.

Under Windows no problems at all: Bridge, Photoshop, ACR, Lr (Library Module and Develop Module) show the same correct NOT clipped shadows.

I tested 8 different Mac running 10.9 with different GPU, different monitors, different profiling Softwares (Color Eyes Display Pro, Eizo Color Navigator, BasICC Color, i1 Profiler). Same results.
I tried to change the gamma value (2.2, sRGB, L*) problems remain. I tried to change ICC version (v2, v4) problems reamain. I tried to change profile type (LUT, MATRIX) problems remain.

How can a photographer work professionally on RAW images if shadows are bad reproduced?

Why Photoshop can reproduce shadows correctly while Lr isn't able to do that?

Why this happens only on a Mac enviroment?

Is Lr based on ColorSync (that can't handle profiles correctly) while Ps isn't (because it can handle and it has no problem)?

Please Adobe, FIX IT for all professional photographers, we can’t use Lr for serious works under Mac.

Max Ramuschi
Adobe Certified Expert

p.s.: Added a 100% Crop screenshots that shows the problem, some photos are even worse...

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166 replies

Max_Ramuschi
Known Participant
April 22, 2015
Yes Finn, now Develop module is perfect, but Library module is still buggy. It seems that Library module still uses Colorsync, while Develop module now has its own CMS.
Participating Frequently
April 22, 2015
well, this is quite bad ...CC has another commercial approach that I don't like. On the other hand I've a product that pretends to work correctly with shadows and lights ... quite bad for Adobe brand don't upgrade it.
Victoria Bampton LR Queen
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 22, 2015
Honestly... it's unlikely. They don't usually update old software. Sorry.
Victoria - The Lightroom Queen
Inspiring
April 22, 2015
...more precisely: the develop mode is perfect
However, the library mode is still clipped as I can see
Participating Frequently
April 22, 2015
Any chance to have this fixed also on Lr 5?
Inspiring
April 22, 2015
I think the problem is solved now with Lightroom CC
MadManChan2000
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
December 15, 2014
Hi Andrea,

I'm sorry, I don't have a concrete timeframe for you at this time.

Eric
Participating Frequently
December 4, 2014
Do you think it will be available on 5.8? or on 6? any plan or early stage?
MadManChan2000
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
December 4, 2014
Hi Andrea,

Yes, we do have a plan for a fix, but unfortunately it won't be ready in the near future. This is why I mentioned the Soft Proof workaround, as a technique one can use in the meantime.

Eric
Participating Frequently
December 3, 2014
Hi Eric,

thanks for your feedback.

Any chance to have a fix in the near future? Maybe an internal display CMS for Lr as well? Do you have something in the pipeline?

Thanks again
Andrea