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Inspiring
September 18, 2013

P: Not rendering correctly photos with spot removal applied in LR4

  • September 18, 2013
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I've just upgraded my LR4 to LR5.2 and after open my LR4 catalog in LR5.2 I discovered that some photos (not all) with many spot removal applied are not rendering right:

LR4:


LR5.2:


Am I doing something wrong or is it really a sw bug?

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Inspiring
September 21, 2013
Thanks. I found that and will use it unless Adobe comes out with a fix, since I have to do it as the wife does not have the patience to follow all the instructions - just wants it fixed - who can blame her.... 🙂
Participating Frequently
September 21, 2013
Peter, I am in the process of "manually" correcting my LR4 processed images inside LR5.2 Final. I am working on a Windows 7 platform and did not use LR5.0 initial release. In my case all images with Spot Removal editing applied in LR4 or earlier version have Feathering set to '0,' which is NOT always optimal. Your wife may find that many of her images require no adjustment if they've all been set to 75 Feathering. I can't speak for what the images look like that were edited in LR5 with its Spot Removal tools.

I used a LR plugin called AnyFilter to locate the images that have Spot Removal applied. I was surprised to see that out of 20,000+ images I only had 179 with Spot Removal, so I've chosen to "manually" update the Feathering setting. It turns out that I can actually get much better results with the new LR5.2 Spot Removal tools. On images that have less than optimal looking clone or heal spots I'm taking the opportunity to "redo" them using the ":improved" LR5.2 Spot Removal tools.

You can download AnyFilter here:

http://www.johnrellis.com/lightroom/a...
Inspiring
September 21, 2013
My wife has just discovered that after upgrading from 5 to 5.2, all images with spot removal work have changed.
The feather slider is set to 75%, so to fix it, she has to find all these instances and change the feathering to 0.
Is this the SAME problem that others are having?
We need a fix asap Adobe!!!
Thanks.
Participating Frequently
September 21, 2013
Hi Benjamin,

At this post:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/56994...

it is mentioned that Adobe staff Eric Chan indicates this is the way the Spot Removal clone tool functions in LR5.2, which is different than in previous versions. Based on this information it does not appear to be a bug, but a decision by Adobe's LR team concerning how to convert clone spots edited in prior versions when importing catalogs into LR5.2 Final.

Even if this is not the case (i.e. it is a bug) how are LR5.2 users supposed to use images that were edited in LR4 or earlier without first checking each and every image and "manually" correcting those that require Feathering? IMHO this is a huge problem for professional photographers who have 100,000s of images that they need to access and use today–Not when Adobe comes up with a solution. The only "workaround" for them is to go back and use LR4.4.1 for prior work AND LR5.2 Final for images they have already processed inside LR5.x.

I chose to use a non-Adobe plugin to filter and find images with Spot Removal tool application so I can "manually" correct each and every image. Fortunately I only found 179 images in my LR catalog with Spot Removal. A commercial photographer may have 1,000s of images with Spot Removal!
Benjamin Warde
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
September 21, 2013
Hi Rodrigo,

Thanks for brining this to our attention. It is a bug, and I have reported the issue to the engineers. When the bug is fixed, your old images should automatically go back to looking the way they did in Lightroom 4, you should not have to manually change any settings.

Thanks,
Ben
Participating Frequently
September 20, 2013
Rodrigo there's an explanation as to what is happening in LR5.2 FINAL concerning Spot Removal clone spots during the LR4 (or earlier) catalog conversion:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/56994...

Adobe decided that it was best to default all prior image clone spots to '0' Feathering.

I ended up downloading and using AnyFilter to find images with Spot Removal applied and it works very well:

http://www.johnrellis.com/lightroom/a...
Participating Frequently
September 20, 2013
Thanks Rodrigo. After looking at this further it appears ALL images edited in LR4 and previous versions with Spot Removal are set with Feathering at ZERO (0) inside LR5 FINAL. This is very disappointing to say the least.

I have over 20,000 images in my LR catalog. Finding those images with clone/heal Spot Removal and "manually" resetting the Feathering to 50 on all of these images is not an option.

One other person on a Mac OS X claims LR5.2 FINAL fixes this issue, but that's not the case on my Windows 7 system.

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

Rodrigo, what OS are you running on?
Inspiring
September 20, 2013
I found a way to list all images with cloned spots.

You can list images with cloned spots using a SQLite manangement sw (there are some free options out there, I used a sw called SQLiteAdmin) and executing the following query.

SELECT DISTINCT d.pathFromRoot, f.originalFilename
FROM AgLibraryFile f
INNER JOIN AgLibraryFolder d ON f.folder=d.id_local
INNER JOIN Adobe_images i ON f.id_local=i.rootFile
INNER JOIN Adobe_libraryImageDevelopHistoryStep h ON i.id_local=h.image
WHERE h.name LIKE '%spot%' and h.text LIKE '%spotType = "clone"%';

With this list you can measure if it is better wait for new release come out or do the correction of feather attribute for each image.
Participating Frequently
September 18, 2013
I'm having the same issue! See this post:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/56945...

It doesn't seem to affect all Spot Removal clone/heal tool spots....only some.
Inspiring
September 18, 2013
After catalog convesion, feather is set to 0 on all clone type spots.
If I change feather to ~50 it looks like I see in LR4.

I'm using Windows.