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johnrellis
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February 26, 2020

P: Rotated and flipped raw opens upside down in Photoshop

  • February 26, 2020
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When a raw that's been rotated 270 degrees CW in the camera and flipped horizontal in LR is opened in Photoshop from LR, it opens upside down. To reproduce:

1. Turn off the option Catalog Settings > Metadata > Automatically Write Changes Into XMP.

2. Import a raw that's been rotated in the camera 270 degrees CW (90 degrees CCW). Make sure no .xmp file for the raw is present before you import. (The raw should have EXIF:Orientation = Rotate 270 CW.)

3. Do Photo > Flip Horizontal.

4. Do Photo > Edit In > Edit In Adobe Photoshop 2020. 

5. Observe the photo is upside down in Photoshop.

Tested in LR 9.2 / PS 21.1 / Mac OS 10.14.6.

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    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
    Legend
    February 27, 2020
    Exiftool shows EXIF:Orientation for the raw:

    [EXIF]  Orientation : Rotate 270 CW

    Exiftool shows no XMP metadata in the raw (-xmp:all).  Further, in the bug recipe above, LR does not write a .xmp sidecar when it passes the raw to PS. 
    L
    Lumigraphics
    Legend
    February 27, 2020
    Do you see an XMP tag like this:

    <tiff:Orientation>6</tiff:Orientation>

    Bridge and probably other software use this to denote lossless rotation, the number shows which way its turned. I wonder if there is a conflict between an EXIF and a TIFF rotation tag?

    You can test using Bridge with the Edit->Rotate commands.

    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
    Legend
    February 27, 2020
    The Flip Horizontal produces C B A D, not B A D C (clockwise from top).  Here's more detail:

    Before in-camera rotation, the raw photo is A B C D;



    The in-camera rotation (EXIF:Orientation = Rotate 270 CW) produces B C D A, which is how the raw appears in LR after importing:



    After LR Photo > Flip Horizontal, the photo is C B A 😧



    Doing Photo > Edit In > Edit In Adobe Photoshop 2020, the photo in PS is A D C B:








    Rikk Flohr_Photography
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    Rikk Flohr_PhotographyCommunity Manager
    February 26, 2020
    To be certain I understand:

    The scene is:  A B C D clockwise from the top.
    After rotating in camera:  it is B C D A clockwise from the top.
    After flipping in Lightroom: it is B A D C clockwise from the top.
    Open in Photoshop and it is: D A B C?
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