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P: Skipping some raw files on raw+jpeg import

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August 30, 2017
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For several years now, users have been asking for a way to import only the RAW file when shooting RAW+jpeg. In fact, it's never been satisfactorily explained to me why I would ever want to import the jpeg into Lightroom.

I do all my post work on a desktop workstation, but I shoot tethered to a laptop, to which I only import jpegs for reasons of speed and storage (the image pops up immediately, and I don't have to constantly trash all the RAWs to save HD space). Once I'm ready to import, I have no further use for the jpegs. I can't even imagine a reason I'd want to bring them into Lightroom.

There is no way to do this in Lightroom's import interface, and I guess there never will be, and I'd made my peace with that, until Lightroom learned a new trick recently.

Several imports in a row now, Lightroom has imported the RAW and the jpeg for most of the card, but skips the RAW for several images and only brings in the jpeg. This is not immediately apparent, as you can imagine. Fortunately, I've caught it every time but once before formatting the card, and been able to import the missing RAWs manually. Once, I'd already formatted the card but was able to find the missing files with Photorescue.

It's just all the more infuriating because it wouldn't even be an issue except for that one stupid omission in the import dialogue. I can't even threaten to "take my business elsewhere", because even if I switch to Capture One, I'm still paying for two Creative Cloud subscriptions (long story; one computer too many in my workflow).

I can only hope this is just a bug that will be squashed before the excruciating workarounds age me prematurely. More.

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JayS_CT

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Jim, you also have to go into preferences on CC and check the box for "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos" to get LR to add the JPEG files side by side with the RAW counterparts. You can check the box and see the JPEGs by resynchronizing the folder otherwise it will still only show the RAW files. You can delete the JPEGs from there. New imports (once checked) will bring in both. Alternatively you can just go to the actual folder, delete the JPEG and synchronize the folder again and only RAW files will show.

Jim Wilde

Community Expert

Yes, the Sort order tool isn't a filter, though it's fairly workable to find a group of Jpegs inside a collection of different file-types. But the Library filter, of course, does allow you to filter a set of images by file-type.

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hansenjc

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Thank Jim Wilde. I do not often think of a sort as a filter but the concept works for me.

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hansenjc

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Due to my unfamiliarity with the LR import process and my general concern over loosing images, I use the Windows OS to copy the images to my hard drive in a new or existing folder. After the images are safely on my computer, I remove my memory card. Then I import them into LR by selecting "Add" rather than copy or move. If LR were to miss any images (files), my work is still safe on the memory card and the computer HD. Once I have done a backup to another HD, Lightroom can be used to process my work with no concern over the loss of an image.

Jim Wilde

Community Expert

Look at the Sort options in the Toolbar below the Grid. Both File Type and File Extension are available.

These options are also available in the Menu bar>View>Sort>

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hansenjc

Participating Frequently

This issue is the reason that I stopped shooting RAW+jpg so that LR would not have the bloat of the jpg files. If we had a way to filter by file extension in the grid view of the library module, i would think I could just delete the the jpg files after the import, but I was unable to find such a filter. Did I miss it?

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JayS_In_CT

Participating Frequently

Try copying the contents of the card onto a hard drive or SSD and then do the import from there (even if moving to another HDD or SSD). I'm aware from some others that it may help in the short term.

ssprengel

Inspiring

The new LR 7/CC-Classic is doing something different and wrong, I agree with you on that, and probably as a new version from 6 to 7, much of the coding was rewritten in an attempt to improve the speed and something isn't quite working correctly.

From your description, I'd guess the problem occurs because the images have the same names, again, each time you insert a new card, and part of LR is thinking the images are duplicates and part is not so it is doing inconsistent things.

One question I didn't ask in my long list, earlier, is are you renaming the images on import or are you keeping them the same name as on the card so LR has to deal with name clashes as it imports IMG0001.CR2 from each new card?

A related question is whether you are doing a backup during the import which copies each image somewhere else in addition to the main import location. If I remember right, the backup copies original filenames rather than renamed filenames, so a backup might be duplicating things even if the main import is renaming.

My main suggestion would be to set the cameras to not reset the image sequence for each new card insertion so the only time the number resets is when it goes from 9999 to 0000 or maybe you can reset the number each photoshoot but not during the shoot.

If you are using multiple cameras for the same shoot and those cameras use the same imaging naming scheme, then see if you can also change the image prefix between the two cameras so there will never be a duplicate image between the two during a specific photoshoot.

If you are renaming the images upon import, it's possible one of the renaming templates or methods has problems and another doesn't so you could change how the renaming works in case that is part of it. If you are importing into folders based on date-time and LR is automatically determine those, then perhaps try importing without doing that and manually name the folders by date, in case there is something wrong with the autorenaming.

I never reset my sequence numbers and only let them wrap and only have one camera so I have not encountered the issue you're having, but I suspect others will if they are doing things similarly.

It would be useful to have a small example that exhibits the problem, using your current settings and methods before changing anything. Shoot 10 images on an empty card, change cards and shoot 10 more, then import of each card the same way you do when there are 1000s and see if things work incorrectly, and if things don't work, then give specific details about all the import settings you're using, so Adobe can try to reproduce the issue.

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FeedbackCommunityMember

Inspiring

We use Adobe Lightroom CC Classic.

We use two camera models. Canon 5D Mark ii and Canon 5D Mark iii.

The cards are not in the camera at the same time. We switch cards between important shots at weddings, or when one is about full.

All images are RAW. Nothing fancy is done with them.

Each card is separate with a different set of images, so no they are not used as backup. We do use a SD card in the 5D Mark iii to write on from the CF card as backup just in case the CF card fails, we still have the images. The SD card is wrote to JPEG, but I never have to use it so it does not get imported.

Each card is labeled unique such as Card 1 and Card 2.

The cards when used in one camera do not go into the other camera during the event.

The cards are both CF cards, same brand, same storage size (32gb).

The counting on each card starts over per each new Card placed in each camera.

Yes it is true, I painstakingly wait for all images on each card to import and create the 1:1 previews. Yes I know that it does eject the Card before the 1:1 preview, it indicates it on my computer by making a sound and disappears from my storage area on my computer, but I do not physically eject the card until all 1:1 previews are made.

I wait after putting my CF card in to hit the import button. The thing is, after I put the CF card in all images appear on the screen and are the correct images. The first CF card I import does fine, it’s the second CF card and after that tries to reimport the previous images from another Card. It’s really weird. Then after stopping the import, safely effecting the Card, putting the card back in, does it start importing the correct images, but even still then it does not import all. After each finished 1:1 preview, I have to put that same CF card back in and see which images it didn’t import and import those that didn’t. This happens at least 2 to 4 times on the same card, with this repeating of importing just to get all images imported.

Also, like I stated before, this ONLY started happening in October after the update. I have never had this issue, haven’t changed anything in what we are using or how we import.

ssprengel

Inspiring

What camera model?

What LR version?

Are both cards in the camera at the same time and the camera decides how to put the images on each card, or are you switching cards mid-shoot?

Are the images only raw aside from any camera-created HDRs or Panoramas which would be JPG, or are some image raw+jpg (as the title for this thread suggests the problem is about)?

If raw+jpg are the raws on one card and the jpgs on the other card?

Is one card a backup of the other so each has the same set of images?

Are both cards the same kind, like both Compact Flash or both SDXC or are they different types of media? If the same type is one larger than the other like a 64GB and a 128GB?

Do both cards have the same volume label, like EOS DIGITAL or similar, or do you name the CARD1 and CARD2 or something else unique?

Do the images on each card have the same sequence of numbers because each card starts number it's images with 0001, again? Or do the images sequence numbers continue increasing from one card to the next? Is the first image from the shoot 0001 or does it just start wherever the previous shoot left off?

In your post you say you eject the first card when the import and 1:1 preview creation are finished. Is this true, or is just the import finished, but the 1:1 preview creation still occurring for the first set of images?

As at least one other post asks people to do, after you've inserted the first card and still are on the Import screen, do you wait there until the card scanning has found all the thumbnails or are you clicking Import before all the images on the card have been scanned for?

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