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June 6, 2024

P: Thick red/blue banding in brightened shadows of Denoised DNGs

I noticed this a few days ago but didn't realize the scale of the issue until I played around with the Exposure values and tested them to the limit.

 

I've attached two screenshots of the Develop module. The control image is an RAF photo with Exposure boosted to +5. The experiment is a DNG derived from the RAF, with a Denoise amount of 30. The effect manifests at all amounts from 1 to 100. However, the banding is not present in the Enhance Preview window. I have also attached the original Fujifilm RAF from my X-H2s camera (lossless compressed) and an affected DNG with Denoise.

 

I can't detect this phenomenon in NR conversions before LrC 13.3. 

 

The significance should be self-evident. The banding artifacts appear in images with lifted shadows or underexposed photos with boosted brightness.

 

Lightroom Classic version: 13.3.1 [ 202405311538-6d7c0308 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en-CA
Operating system: Mac OS 14
Version: 14.5.0 [23F79]
Application architecture: arm64
Logical processor count: 12
Processor speed: NA
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
Power Source: Plugged In, 80%
Built-in memory: 32,768.0 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 5,764.7MB / 21,845.3MB (26%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 32,768.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 3,716.8 MB (11.3%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 424,322.1 MB
Memory cache size: 1,238.0MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 16.3.1 [ 1889 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 2281MB / 16383MB (13%)
Camera Raw real memory: 2285MB / 32768MB (6%)

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Known Participant
August 31, 2024

the test is really really simple, you download the file i linked from DPR, as i said is an underexposed photo (it's used for latitude test/shadow recovery). i don't apply any setting or preset. you convert the RAF in DNG, you add later +5EV to check the shadow recovery ability. the RAF looks fine, the DNG is broken with red patches

i am not talking about colored noise, but about the large red rectangles apparent in the DNG

here you can see the comparison DNG vs original RAF (both at +5EV)

I suspect a bug with the M1 GPU or maybe Sonoma 

Known Participant
August 30, 2024

i sometime have problems of 'ghost' images prodced by enhance photo function with RAF files (i use a Fujifilm X-H2) you can clearly see the problem processing this underexposed image from DPReview.

Lightroom 13.5, SOnoma 14.6.1 on M1 Macbook pro

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enhanced photo:

 

and the standard result:

 

GoldingD
Legend
August 31, 2024

Did you accomplish any develop edits at all before attempting the Enhance?

 

robertb10906450
Participating Frequently
August 27, 2024

 When trying to Denoise photos using the ai tool in Lightroom classic on my new Apple M3 Max MacBook Pro, I found that it processes the photo really fast compared to my older MacBook.. but leaves a checkerboard like color error on the processed image. I've never seen anything like it and tried to disable GPU in settings to see if anything changes and it made no difference. I take nightclub photos so being able to use the denoise tool is incredibly important to me. I thought maybe it was my camera or lens I used that night so I opened the catalog on my older MacBook (2018 2.9ghz 6 core intel i9 w/ Radeon pro Vega 20 4gb) and there was no checkerboard across the exact same photo when processing it. What could be causing this? My new laptop is under warranty, should I have it replaced? 

robertb10906450
Participating Frequently
August 27, 2024

image from m3 max 

 

Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
August 27, 2024

The image wasn't attached. You need to use the icon on toolbar that looks like a mountain.

 

In the meantime, can you confirm whether the issue you're seeing is similar to that shown in below linked thread.  Given that your computer is Apple silicon rather than Intel with AMD GPU, it shouldn't be, but...

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-bugs/p-denoise-large-artifacts-with-amd-graphics-card/idi-p/14511319

Participant
August 1, 2024

Hi, have used denoise AI regularly however, today, I used as normal and have noticed X2 purple bands appearing on the denoise DNG. These are not visible on the original files. I have attached screenshots of original RAF file and enhanced DNG

System used:

Macbook Pro 2022, M2 chip, Sonoma 14.5, Lightroom 7.4.1

Camera:

Fuji XH2, Sigma 18-50mm 

 

I note that this seems to have been a problem previously but I cannot see that it has been resolved. Look forward to hearing from you soonest.

 

Ross

 

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
Community Manager
July 9, 2024

Updating status - adding bug

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
joel8x
Participant
June 18, 2024

I've been experiencing this same issue. I see that I can still downgrade to 13.2 - Has anyone tried this yet, and if so have you had any issues with the catalog?

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
Community Manager
July 8, 2024

A question for those who've been able to partially replicate this in Lightroom:
Do you see the same issue with an image processed similarly in Camera Raw? 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
PvlKnn作成者
Participating Frequently
July 8, 2024

Confirmed, the same large blocks appear when using Camera Raw. 

I want to emphasize that no evidence of the artifacts exists in the Enhance preview window. 

Community Expert
June 9, 2024

I don't know. The blocky stuff is also present in lighter areas like above the display case where there is clearly resolvable material. They're both pretty bad though and not really usable. The color blocks are extremely objectionable indeed

PvlKnn作成者
Participating Frequently
June 9, 2024

I'd argue your Topaz example is the preferable version. I'm not expecting miracles in such deep shadows—it's mostly noise. It'd be nice not to have dreamt-up colours, though. 

Community Expert
June 9, 2024

P.S. interestingly Topaz also completely messes up this file. Using denoise and sharpen and dng output in Topaz PhotoAI gives this:

I've noticed these blocky artefacts in Topaz' output in other low light images before so no surprise but we are really at the limits of the current technology here apparently...

PvlKnn作成者
Participating Frequently
June 9, 2024

Again, I must insist this isn't an extreme ISO image (640). It's a photo with extreme exposure and shadow adjustments made in Lightroom. 

I was able to recreate it using a different and much older fujifilm model (X-T2). That raw file is attached above in one of my replies. 


Perhaps it's an artifact specific to X-Trans sensors? Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised by that given the decade of complaints with how CameraRaw treats those files.