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johnrellis
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August 10, 2025

P: Toggling B&W when the default profile is Camera Neutral leaves WB set to an incorrect value

  • August 10, 2025
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When the Camera Raw default for a camera sets the profile to Camera Neutral or Camera Landscape, toggling B&W on and then off leaves WB changed to Custom with Temp = 5001 and Tint = 10, regardless of the photo or camera. This doesn't occur when the Camera Raw default is set to Adobe Default.

 

1. Download and import this raw from a Sony RX100 M5:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ymi7gkw8wx00cf7cm5hqp/bw-wb.2025-08-11.ARW?rlkey=sxat15xg6h8nj8dj2r7j4wlpd&dl=0

 

2. In Develop, set its profile to Camera Neutral. Observe that WB is As Shot, Temp = 5700, and Tint = 11.

 

3. Create a preset called Camera Neutral, with just Treatment & Profile checked.

 

4. In Preferences > Presets > Raw Defaults, set Global to the preset Camera Neutral.

 

5. In Develop, click Reset. Observe that the profile changes to Camera Neutral and WB remains at As Shot, 5700, 11.

 

6. Click B&W. Observe that the profile changes to Adobe Monochrome and WB remains at As Shot, 5700, 11.

 

7. Click B&W again. Observe that the profile changes to Camera Neutral (correct) but that WB changes to Custom, Temp = 5001 ,and Tint = 10 (incorrect).

 

8. Repeat steps 5 - 7 for raws from other cameras that support the profile Camera Neutral. Step 7 always ends with WB changing to Custom, Temp = 5001, Tint = 10 (at least with the 10 cameras I tested from Sony, Canon, and Nikon). Repeat steps 2 - 7 but using Camera Landscape and observe the same incorrect behavior.

 

9. In Preferences > Presets > Raw defaults, set Global to Adobe Default

 

10. In Develop, with any of the photos tested previously, click Reset. Observe the profile changes to Adobe Color.

 

11. Toggle B&W on and off and observe that WB doesn't change (correct).

 

5 replies

Known Participant
October 29, 2025

Thanks for solving this issue. Regards.

johnrellis
Legend
October 29, 2025

I verified that LR 15.0 now produces the correct behavior for the bug recipe, thanks.

Sameer K
Community Manager
Community Manager
October 28, 2025

Hello everyone,

 

An update for Adobe Photography products has been released as part of the MAX cycle. This update addresses the reported issue.

 

If you don’t see the update in your Creative Cloud app, refresh it using [Ctrl/Cmd] + [Alt/Opt] + [R].

Please note: It may take up to 24 hours for the update to appear.

 

Thank you for your continued patience.

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
August 12, 2025

I've logged a ticket for the team to review. 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Known Participant
August 10, 2025

Macbook pro 2018 Intel, Sequoia 15.6. Lightroom version: 14.4

If I convert a raw image in black and white and then come back to color using the same button, the WB setting changes automatically from "As shot" to some custom value, so I have to set it back manually to "As shot". Is it a bug, or there is some reason why LR behaves this way?

Thanks fot the help, regards to everybody. 

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
August 10, 2025

I can't reproduce that on my M1 Max MacBook Pro. The WB remains 'as shot' when I toggle between B&W and color.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
Known Participant
August 10, 2025

Hello Johan, thank you for testing this issue, now I wonder if the problem could be related to my older Intel mac. 

Giorgio