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johnrellis
johnrellis
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February 20, 2020

P: Transform doesn't copy/sync correctly

  • February 20, 2020
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Transform settings don't always copy/sync correctly to other photos. To reproduce:

1. Download this photo and make a copy of it in the same folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dflc03vke3be0zb/transform-bug.2020.02.19.jpg?dl=0

2. Import both photos.

3. Select both photos and go to Develop.

4. In the Transform panel, click Auto.

5. Click Sync, check only Upright Mode, then Synchronize.

6. Observe that the two photos have been transformed slightly differently.

7. Reset the develop settings of both photos.

8. Repeat steps 4 - 6, but this time check Upright Transforms in Sync.

9. Observe that the two photos have been transformed slightly differently.

See this thread for the original reports:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/transform-tool-problems-since-latest-update-in-ligh...

Tested in LR 9.2 / Mac OS 10.14.6.

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    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    April 17, 2021

    "Will this ever work? Every day I have to go through every photo for every room that I shoot and click update... that's thousands of clicks per week."

    What are the precise steps you're taking? Can you post screenshots before and after showing it not working the way you expect?

    My tests of LR 10.2 show that Copy Settings and Sync Settings correctly copy the Transform Upright Mode (Auto, Guided, Level, Vertical), provided the source and destination photos don't have any prior crop angle applied via the Crop tool.   Auto Sync doesn't work, regardless of whether crop angle had been applied.

    Precise steps:

    1. Select all the photos.

    2. Edit the first photo in Develop.

    3. Do Transform > Auto.

    4. Click Sync.

    5. Click Check None, then Upright Mode, then Synchronize:

    Here's the before and after:

    DeeHouk
    DeeHouk
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    April 16, 2021

    Will this ever work? Every day I have to go through every photo for every room that I shoot and click update... that's thousands of clicks per week.

    grhookphoto
    grhookphoto
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    July 1, 2020
    I would delete my comment if I could.

    The problem I ran into, back when Transform was introduced, apparently got fixed along the way. Since I had given up on it, I just changed my workflow and never revisited the function. I got into the habit of not copying the transform setting.

    No, I sometimes don't want it recomputed. Initially, there was no option. Copying (e.g.) the "auto" setting was (originally) akin to clicking the auto button on the target image. At least to the best of my recollection.

    The current behavior (crop constraints aside) are what I have always expected should (be a choice to make) happen: copy the end result of the transform to the new image.  So, problem solved (for me). Apologies for the bother.
    Todd Shaner
    Todd Shaner
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    June 30, 2020
    What happens if you sync with Upright Mode, Upright Transforms, and Transform Adjustments all checked?

    It applies an incorrect Constrain Crop the same as just Upright Mode, Upright Transforms checked. I've updated the screenshot above to include this selection. The only Synchronize Settings that properly applies the Constrain Crop is with 'Upright Mode' and 'Crop' checked.
    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    June 30, 2020
    Weird behavior with Constrain Crop isn't surprising. Internally, there's a single develop setting CropConstrainToWarp that's bound to two different check boxes in the UI, Crop Tool > Constrain To Image and Transform > Constrain Crop.  Checking one of the boxes checks the other one too.  I'm guessing the developers assumed that every develop setting is in precisely one category in the Copy/Sync window, which isn't true for CropConstrainToWarp.
    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    June 30, 2020
    What happens if you sync with Upright Mode, Upright Transforms, and Transform Adjustments all checked? 
    Todd Shaner
    Todd Shaner
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    June 30, 2020
    I just tested Synchronize Settings with 'Vertical' Upright Mode and 'Constrain Crop' checked in the 'Transform' panel and found another issue.
    With just 'Upright Mode' checked 'Constrain Crop' is not applied. If you also check 'Transform Adjustments' a crop is applied, but it is incorrect. If 'Upright' and 'Crop' are checked the 'Constrain Crop' is properly applied.
    The 'Constrain Crop' setting when checked affects both Upright and Transform settings so should be synchronized or offered as a check box in the Synchronize Settings 'Transform' list.

    Bob Somrak
    Bob Somrak
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    June 30, 2020
    It is SUPPOSED to copy sync the transforms but there are still bugs in Lr9.3 that prevent it from working correctly.
    M4 Pro Mac Mini. 48GB
    johnrellis
    johnrellisAuthor
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    June 30, 2020
    Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but LR does let you choose whether to copy/sync the actual transform (the end result) or have Auto recomputed on each target photo.

    To copy/sync the actual transform (the end result), check Upright mode, Upright Transforms, and Transform Adjustments:


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    To copy/sync Auto and have it recomputed on each target photo, select just Upright Mode:

    grhookphoto
    grhookphoto
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    June 30, 2020
    LR should allow the copying/syncing of the end result of a transform from one image to others. Even auto mode rarely produces the desired results when recomputed, and certainly in guided mode a copy should be based on the end result.

    Adobe needs to provide choices here to the end user. I still can't, since this feature was introduced, understand how the current behavior has any value to anyone.
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