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johnrellis
Legend
February 20, 2020

P: Transform doesn't copy/sync correctly

  • February 20, 2020
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Transform settings don't always copy/sync correctly to other photos. To reproduce:

1. Download this photo and make a copy of it in the same folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dflc03vke3be0zb/transform-bug.2020.02.19.jpg?dl=0

2. Import both photos.

3. Select both photos and go to Develop.

4. In the Transform panel, click Auto.

5. Click Sync, check only Upright Mode, then Synchronize.

6. Observe that the two photos have been transformed slightly differently.

7. Reset the develop settings of both photos.

8. Repeat steps 4 - 6, but this time check Upright Transforms in Sync.

9. Observe that the two photos have been transformed slightly differently.

See this thread for the original reports:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/transform-tool-problems-since-latest-update-in-ligh...

Tested in LR 9.2 / Mac OS 10.14.6.

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38 replies

johnrellis
Legend
February 21, 2020
I only tested 9.2 and saw issues with both Upright Mode and Upright Transforms.
Bob Somrak
Legend
February 21, 2020
Arjun

This is definitely a different problem than the one John posted.  In Johns scenario the Copy/Paste resulted in a different adjustment of the house.  Here the result of the copy/paste results in the SAME correction in the 3 different scenarios but the results are the opposite what is in the documentation.  In addition, in scenarios 3 you have to click off and on the photo to make the result happen.  

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Bob Somrak
Legend
February 21, 2020
Arjun
Here are the two original images.   They are just two brick wall photos from the internet that I took into photoshop and rotated and saved and then flipped horizontal and saved.   




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arjunhaarith
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
February 21, 2020
Hi Robert,

Is this issue similar to what John has posted?
If it is different, could you please provide sample images for us to investigate the same?

Thanks,
Arjun
arjunhaarith
Adobe Employee
Adobe Employee
February 21, 2020
Hi John,

Thanks for reporting the issue.
I was able to reproduce the issue that you have mentioned(in Mac 10.15). However, I could see that the 'Upright mode' issue was present in 9.1(with sync) as well.
However, the 'Upright transforms' issue was not seen in 9.2.
Is this what you are seeing too?
We are investigating the same. 

Thanks,
Arjun
Bob Somrak
Legend
February 20, 2020
@188115 Ellis
I can replicate the scenario you outline in your post.  
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Bob Somrak
Legend
February 20, 2020
John,

There is more issues with transform than what you have listed.

According to Adobes woefully outdated helps files the copy/paste, sync and AutoSync is supposed to work as documented here.


This is also documented in an always excellent blog by Julianne Kost in the following link
https://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/2013/04/lightroom-5-beta-upright-sync-behavior.html

Unfortunately the copy/paste etc of Transform Auto. Level, Vertical etc. works the opposite of what it is supposed to do and in one scenario will not show the result till you cursor off and back on the photo.  

Original photos



Scenario 1 using Autosync

Select the two photos
Turn on AutoSync
Do Auto in Transform

You get the following result which is opposite of the documented behavior




Scenario 2 using Copy/Paste or Sync with "Upright Mode" in the Copy/Paste dialog

Select the left photo
Do Auto in Transform
Select Copy and chose only "Upright Mode" and hit Copy
Select the right photo
Select Paste

You get the following result which is opposite of the documented behavior




Scenario 3 using Copy/Paste or Sync with "Upright Transformations" in the Copy/Paste dialog

Select the left photo
Do Auto in Transform
Select Copy and chose only "Upright Transformations" and hit Copy
Select the right photo
Select Paste

When you first Paste you get the following result which should be the documented behavior


BUT, click the left photo and then the right photo and it changes to the following which is opposite of the documented behavior.


  Even though the end result is wrong, the fact you have to click off and then back on the photo to make it work is especially disconcerting to the user.



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Inspiring
February 20, 2020
I noticed this too!  This feature is critical to my photography business and workflow.  I reverted back to 9.1 until this is resolved.