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April 15, 2017

P: Video capture time shifted by time zone offset

  • April 15, 2017
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I recently got a 5D IV and just noticed that capture times on video files shows 5 hours ahead in Lightroom (photos are fine). This causes videos taken late in the day to be imported into the folder for the next day. I'm running the latest Lightroom (6.10) and 5D Firmware (1.04). I checked my old 5D Mark III videos and they are fine. 

I suspect Lightroom ins't picking up the timezone info and is using UTC time.  Is this a bug?

57 replies

johnrellis
Legend
May 23, 2019



ExifTool shows all the dates in the video as 2017:11:25 21:11:01 (9:11 pm 11/25/17).  Clearly the video was taken during the day (great dog!) -- assuming you're in PST (UTC - 8), you took it at 1:11 pm?

It looks like the Samsung/Android software strictly obeyed the spec and recorded the capture date in UTC. And there is no time zone or indication of local time recorded in non-standard fields in the video.   
There are (at least) a few ways that Adobe could improve this situation (caused by Apple's QuickTime specification failure):

- Adobe could ask Android or Samsung to record time zone in a non-standard field and give Adobe permission to read it.  They could suggest the same field that iOS uses.

- LR could infer the time zone from the GPS data (there's a well-maintained database of worldwide time zones they could use).

- LR CC could add the Edit Capture Time command that's been in LR 1 - 7, which would let you manually shift the time shown for the video.

Based on years of Adobe's indifference to capture-time issues, I'm guessing this last may be the best you could reasonably hope for.

marcs39127930
Participating Frequently
May 23, 2019


Since Android LRCC Mobile doesn't import or upload videos (see this thread), I've plugged my phone into my pc via usb. Then I use LRCC to import several videos. The problem is that , for all my imported videos, Lightroom CC shifts the Captured Date/Time  7 hours later than the actual Capture Date/Time. Seems like there must be a Time Zone setting in LRCC that I'm missing.

For example, this video, was captured on Oct-21-2017 at 4:06PM PST. However, LRCC desktop shows its capture date/time as Oct-21-2017 at 11:06PM. See the attached screen cap from LRCC. It shows the capture date 7 hours later than actual. 



Specs:
  • Android Samsung S7
  • LR CC Mobile version 3.1
  • LR CC Desktop version 1.0
johnrellis
Legend
January 21, 2018
No need to post a sample -- this is another example of the confusion caused by the poorly designed QuickTime spec, as described here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/canon-5d-mark-iv-video-capture-time-incorrect...
eoren1
Known Participant
January 20, 2018
Hi,
Reviving this thread as the same issue exists on my new Sony a7rIII - camera shows correct timestamp for photos and video.  LR importing shifts timestamp for videos (but not photos) + 5 hours for EST.
Happy to post video to Dropbox
Thanks!
Inspiring
December 10, 2017



Hello. while I don't have the 1946 issue. I do have issue with my canon P/S camera and the time stamps being 4-5 hours off with video compared to photographs. Reported in past but still no resolve. Last I was told LR does not support Video correctly.

Legend
June 16, 2017
Good morning. We'd like to invite you to our prerelease if you're interested in evaluating a fix for this issue. Let us know and we'll get you added.
torstenv58075562
Participating Frequently
May 26, 2017
Thank you very much for your comprehensive explanation of the situation!
johnrellis
Legend
May 25, 2017
This sample video perfectly illustrates the industry video-metadata mess and where LR resides within that mess.

The capture date is recorded in different places in the file:

[QuickTime]  Create Date: 2017:05:24 14:58:35
[EXIF]  Date/Time Original: 2017:05:24 16:58:35
[MakerNotes] Time Zone: +02:00

(It helps to use “exiftool -a -G” to show where metadata fields are coming from.)   

QuickTime:CreateDate is the QuickTime/MPEG-4 standard field for recording capture date, and the spec calls for it to be recorded in UTC, which the camera has done.  But note that many, many cameras ignore the spec and write the date/time in local time, because the spec doesn’t specify a place to write the time zone and older cameras often did have any notion of time zone (shame on Apple originally and later on MPEG).  

EXIF:DateTimeOriginal is an industry-standard field for still photos but not videos.  In this case, it is coming from a thumbnail image stored in a non-standard Canon-specific location in the file, which you can verify by doing “exiftool -v”.  Other cameras don’t store metadata in this way.

MakerNotes:TimeZone is coming from the non-standard Canon-specific MakerNotes section, also stored in that thumbnail image. Some other cameras (but not all) record the time zone, but in other locations.

LR reads the industry-standard field QuickTime:CreateDate but treats it as local time rather than UTC (see above).  This is why it shows the wrong capture date for your videos.

It is definitely feasible for LR to handle video metadata better for mainstream cameras, but at considerably more engineering and legal expense. LR would need camera-specific rules for where to read and write metadata. Also, Adobe appears to have a very conservative legal approach to manufacturer-specific metadata, requiring legal agreements before incorporating such metadata in Adobe products. Up until very recently, Adobe has resisted this additional expense.  But LR now reads an Apple-specific time zone field for iPhones, and Adobe employees have indicated that they will do it for some Canons.
torstenv58075562
Participating Frequently
May 24, 2017
A sample photo and video from Canon Powershot G7X Mark II are available here:
https://www.magentacloud.de/share/62pfu6hgdm
johnrellis
Legend
May 24, 2017
Just updated my previous comment, which had some technical errors.