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November 7, 2017
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I own Micro43 and compact cameras, where lens profiles are integrated in RAW files. With software like Capture One Pro, I can easily enable or disable theses built-in profiles. Actually, there is even a slider allowing to enable 0% or 100% of the built-in profile, and whatever percentage in between.

In LR (CC, Classic or LR6), the checkox for enabling or disabling profiles does not work with built-in profiles, which always stay enabled. This seriously limits the possibilities of several cameras which possibilities get unleashed by actual RAW developpers like Capture One Pro.

I'm actually a COP user (after switching from LR) but DAM sucks with COP and this built-in lens profile thing is the only deal breaker for me to come back. So please let users disable built-in lens profiles, or at least offer workarounds.

As a workaround, a dumb "zero" profile that would replace the built-in one (not coming on top of it) could do the job.

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Todd Shaner

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Just updated to LR Classic 9.2.1 and can confirm Adobe has disabled the built-in lens profile for the Nikon D780 camera. The Nikon Z Series cameras and lenses still require the built-in lens profile because Adobe has not created matching lens profiles for the Z lenses. It's still beneficial to offer the option to disable it or ability to adjust the distortion and vignetting 'Amount' (0-100) for these lenses.

The D780 NEFs I've checked so far all look much better with the Adobe lens profile applied and you can "dial-back" the Distortion and Vignetting Amount to suite your preference. More at this post:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/lens-correction-with-integrated-lens-profile-from-r...

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TarekAlShawwa

Participating Frequently

Yes please, I fully support this idea, I recently became a capture one customer because of this and purchased a copy of rawdigger to look into things a bit deeper and as someone who shoots on multiple camera systems, these forced built in profile corrections drive me insane, let us use the full sensor information that our cameras can capture Adobe, please and thank you.

if i wanted my photos to be altered in anyway rather than having the RAW data for processing, i would just shoot jpegs with picture profiles and use the straight out of camera images, removing the need for your software.

please let us turn these corrections off, otherwise you're just giving your competition a unique selling proposition, they literally have a feature that gives people more control and Adobe are driving their own customers to capture one

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Jao vdL

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Except for hacking the raw files indeed.

johnrellis

Legend

See this post for how to stop LR from automatically applying the built-in lens profile:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw/deactivate-integrated-lens-profiles/td-p/9572619?page=1

TheGreekGeek

Participating Frequently

This may be a dumb question (I don't believe in such a thing) but what if I DON'T want to apply the automatic corrections. That is, what if I want to retain a little bit of distortion to avoid too much cropping or because I like the look, what if I want to retain some vignetting because I like the look...

Point being, by default "Enable Profile corrections" is disabled and I can't adjust distortion and vignetting in any way. To do so requires that I enable that option which auto-selects some random Nikon Lens with it's own profile that distorts the image based on said profile.

I've used LR for nearly a decade shooting Canon and Nikon. I love my Z6 but I'd like a bit more control over lens profiles and the current UX doesn't give that.

I recently (last year) tried out a few other editors because of this issue. I was hoping the 9.2 update addressing RAW presets/defaults would address it but I wasn't to a point I could easily update my catalogs.

That changed today....

I've yet to fully try out the RAW defaults feature. At a minimum I'm hoping that (if at first glance I've properly understood the feature) I will avoid having to do what I've been doing since last March - applying a preset which zero's out values to avoid the garish contrast (et al) adjustments Nikon was applying in camera.

That said, when I go to "Lens Corrections" in the Develop module the UI doesn't expose the capability to adjust the vignetting/distortion without disabling the setting as per above so I feel certain it won't be addressed by these RAW defaults.

If CaptureOne (and I think ON1) allow me to adjust these settings without automatically applying them then why not LR? Just give us the freedom to do so. I know from importing some wide-angle shots into Capture One LR is definitely cropping these.

At the end of the day I can just enable manual correction, but again if I'm trying to retain a bit of distortion and say move the slider to 25% the lens selected (for example 105mm when lens used was 24-70 f/4 z) will retain distortion to that level based on the 105's profile. I know this b/c I can switch to any other lens (say a fish-eye) on the same image and get drastically different results. While moving the slider to 0 is effectively saying perform 0 corrections and allows me to retain all distortion this issue is keeping me from adjusting part of the way.

If I'm doing this wrong or misunderstanding what's happening let me know, but I gather from the results I've seen with my own eyes in CaptureOne that LR is restricting me with the Z lenses.

ASIDE QUESTION RE LENS PROFILES:

I recently picked up a 50 1.2 AIS. Is there any way to quickly apply that profile to all lenses that lack one (I also have a pre-AI but AI converted 135 2.8 so I don't want to blanket apply on all images). The current UI keeps defaulting to Nikon Cool PIX...

hunterr89148280

Participating Frequently

Thanks for your help Todd.

Todd Shaner

Legend

So it seems more a camera issue than software or lens.

Try searching the Fuji XT forum for this issue:

https://www.fujix-forum.com/forums/
If you don't find anything add a new post there and please post back here if you find an answer. Thanks!

hunterr89148280

Participating Frequently

No, but I don't do any bracketing with other lenses.Looking through my Lightroom catalog, the similarity I do find in files from other lenses is that sometimes I get one which doesn't say anything about 'Built-In' Lens Profile Applied.' in Lens Corrections, and when I turn on Enable Profile Corrections, it says "Unable to locate a matching profile automatically" and "None" in the drop down menu.
Looking further I find many like that from the 56mm, 35mm and 23mm. Sometimes they seem to be the first one or two images from a shoot, but in other folders it goes on throughout the shoot. Lightroom identifies the lenses correctly in the upper righthand panel but can't find a profile for them. But then other times it does find the right profile. Very strange! Thanks for prodding me to look further. So it seems more a camera issue than software or lens.

Todd Shaner

Legend

It could be due to a defect with the lens, but I don't see any differences in the -3 file metadata other than the 11.5mm vs 12.0mm correction data. Do you see the same issue when using a different lens?

hunterr89148280

Participating Frequently

Thanks Todd. The point here on those two images is that being able to turn off the automatic lens corrections would solve my problem. As all I really want to do is blend them. Which I can do with the files as exported by C1.
However, physically changing the zoom focal length doesn't explain the same problem in the auto bracketed set where the camera wasn't touched. So I assume the problem is actually elsewhere.
From that I also assume that what's causing C1 to apply Distortion correction to one image and not the other is the same as what's causing the difference between image 2 (distorted) and the other four in the auto bracketed images, also visible in Lightroom. And also that it's that unknown that's causing image 2 of the bracketed set to read as 11.5mm and the other four as 12mm.

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